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336 days into the new year Jeff 29 days

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listening all around the world

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game changer Network in kg are a the

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planet I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is crackin everybody how you doing how

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you doing I hope you had a great

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Thanksgiving weekend we did lots of fun

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lots of fun and all all of the all of

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too much food coma great leftovers man

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what what a weekend and I was over at

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coast to coast of course on Saturday

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night and here we are on Monday

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and it just feels like I have not

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stopped Thanksgiving seems like last

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week oh wait it was it was on Thursday

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and yeah that was just just a bizarre

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fun weekend and and here we are you know

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it's kicking off a great week tonight is

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a gregg braden and really looking

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forward to this and wanted Greg on he's

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wanted to be on this show for so long

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he's just so busy and schedules and and

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everything else but finally tonight Greg

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is joining us and this is our first time

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on this show and I don't know how that

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but it does and it did so Greg is

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kicking off our first time guests week

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amazing week but tonight it's Gregg

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Braden and Gregg is a five-time New York

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Times bestselling author he's researcher

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and educator lecturer internationally

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renowned as a pioneer bridging modern

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science spirituality and human potential

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wisdom of our past to reveal real-world

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solutions to the issues that challenge

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our lives his research has led to 15

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film credits and 12 award-winning books

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now published in over 40 languages Gregg

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is a member of the American Association

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for the Advancement of science the

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steering committee for the global

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coherence initiative and the

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evolutionary leadership organization he

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has presented in over 30 countries he

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Nation for fortune 500 companies and of

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course the United States military the

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United Kingdom's Watkins Journal lists

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most world's most spiritually

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influential living people there's a

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tongue twister for the sixth consecutive

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year and he's also a 2020 nominee for

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the Templeton award I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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evening Jimmy it's great to hear your

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voice I am so thrilled to be with you

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and our live listening audience tonight

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thank you for that great introduction

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yes and the great music but Lee it led

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to degrees in ER doc yeah thank you for

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that and and I really appreciate it and

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you know what before we get things

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started Gregg this is our first time

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guest week and I don't know why you are

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in that category but it's taken us this

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long to finally get you the show but

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disclaimer which is this Gregg it's just

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go you ready I'm

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totally ready I we've never done this

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very full lives and I'm gonna follow

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your lead and wherever we go tonight I'm

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happy to go there yeah and I actually

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want to start here years ago I had the

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opportunity to introduce you at a

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conference up in San Francisco and I

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went out and I've been following you for

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years but after introducing you instead

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of staying backstage and just doing my

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thing I actually went out and sat with

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the audience and and and joined you

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right and I went through your enthusiasm

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is one thing and the way that you

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interact with the audience is great but

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watching your presentation of the sites

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and the research and the locations that

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you've traveled around the world for

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forever and I thought to myself sitting

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there Gregg is a doer there's two kinds

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of people in this world right there's

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those that talk and those that actually

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go out and do these things and they're

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fascinated with it what came first for

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was it chasing the science mmm well

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first thank you.thank I remember that

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introduction I know precisely what

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conference that was for and I did not

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know that you were in my audience so so

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audience you know this is probably the

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hardest thing for a scientist to talk

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about as their own lives it's easier to

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talk about the discoveries and the

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research so because this is our first

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time and we're on your couch in in your

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living room I'll just share with you I I

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come from a a very dysfunctional family

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abusive alcoholic family I was born and

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Missouri in this Midwest of this big

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beautiful country of ours and at an

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early age I mean I was looking for

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refuge from my my conditions and I found

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refuge refuge in two places

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this is in the 1960s so it was obviously

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in the music at the time and in the

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science of the time the 60s it was I

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really happened in time and you know in

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terms of science we had manned space

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missions that were happening and and

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satellites and you know science was

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really honored and really respected you

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know that in a way that you don't see so

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much today at least in mainstream so

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those two areas of interest quickly

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became my sources of refuge and I I left

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home at the age of 14 I was a musician I

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started playing guitar at 8 left home at

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14 moved in with a rock-and-roll band

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and I went to my first rock concert

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during that time and it was Jefferson

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Airplane man for our listeners he might

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listen I'll tell you exactly where it

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was it was Memorial Hall in Kansas City

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Kansas Wow

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and I saw this band move the souls of

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30,000 people in that relatively small

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arena and and that was important to me

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and not long after that I had the

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opportunity to go to the Royals Stadium

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Kansas City Royals Stadium at that time

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well as Kansas the Athletics at that

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time and I saw a man speak he wasn't

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with a band he just spoke his name is

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Billy Graham and it wasn't so much about

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his message for me but what I saw was he

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moved the souls of 70,000 people and the

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difference between that concert and

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where I saw at Billy Graham was this at

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the end of the concert people left and

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everybody was good but they they needed

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something more to give them the feeling

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that they had during the concert they

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need to go out and buy the album you

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know at that time there was 8-track

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tapes and and and they needed that when

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I left that Billy Graham show those

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people didn't need anything because the

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words that he had spoken changed

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something inside of them and they began

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to look at themselves in their world

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differently and I knew at that moment I

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said I wasn't sure what I would do but I

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think we get one shot yeah

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contributing to this world to make it a

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better place and I knew that I would

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need to do it through through music or

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through science and I knew that words

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would become a very powerful part of

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that so that is a little a little

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background and I became a scientist I'm

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a degree geologist with strong

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background in geophysics molecular

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biology life sciences computer science

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and and those Sciences Jimmy have given

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me the opportunity to stay abreast with

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the new discoveries that are published

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in these really obscure journals and

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very few people get to see in pretty

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technical language but to stay abreast

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with the discoveries that have the

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potential to change our lives to make

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this world such a better place and to

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help us to become the best version of

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ourselves on the one hand and on the

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other hand early in my life as as you

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mentioned I was drawn there's a whole

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story about how it happened but I was

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drawn to leave America and began a

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search that started in Egypt 1986 that

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led me into Peru and 89 during a

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revolution I was part of a revolution

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down there that eventually led me into

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Tibet and Nepal and India India and all

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through the American desert Southwest

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and Australia and what I began to

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understand him is that those who have

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come before us I've been here a long

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time were 5,000 years of recorded human

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history they didn't know science but

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they understood us in our relationship

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to the world and what I began to find is

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that ultimately what we call

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spirituality is just that it's it's I'm

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religion and spirituality spirituality

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is the understanding of the human

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relationship that we have with ourselves

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with our own bodies with other people

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our future the religions came along

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later and wrapped the rules in the dogma

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around those very very basic

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understandings right so so I decided to

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cut through the religion forget the

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religion go right to the core what did

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these people know that we've either

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forgotten or what did they know that

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our own science is only beginning to

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language of science is the contemporary

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language for the mystical that was

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described in so many of these and still

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is in some of these ancient indigenous

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traditions am I feeling my one shot in

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my lifetime to contribute make this

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world a better place and and for me to

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become the best person I can be

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is to cross those traditional boundaries

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that have separated science the the

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sciences you know geology and chemistry

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and biology and physics we put them in

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boxes but nature doesn't know anything

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about those boxes that's not the way the

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world works and the sciences that have

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largely discounted the wisdom of our

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ancestors to cross the traditional

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boundaries and marry these two great

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ways of knowing into a form of wisdom

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that gives us the evolutionary edge so

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that we succeed in this great transition

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that's sweeping the earth right now

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where past cycles of civilization appear

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to have failed so I know there's a lot

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in there we can unpack that as we go

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through the evening but but for me it

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was less of a quantum leap it wasn't

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like a big AHA it was more of a logical

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progression as I began to follow and the

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science and I understood what the

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science was saying at the same time I

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was studying and experiencing these

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ancient indigenous traditions and I said

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you know they're saying the same thing

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in a very different language and they're

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talking about things that we're only

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beginning to understand in the 20th

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century how did they know this stuff and

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what is it that we can learn from them

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today well each book I got tell you Jim

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it's funny I was doing a radio program

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not long ago it's what I call one of the

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hostile interviews you know we get those

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every once in a while right and and the

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interviewer came out and there were he

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didn't read a bio or any kind of a

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greeting or welcome you know it wasn't

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like hi Greg welcome to the program

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first thing he said to me when he came

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on he said he said Braden why can't you

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stick with one topic like everybody else

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he said man you are all over the map he

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said you talking about genetics or the

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of the earth or cycles of time or

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ancient civilization he said he said for

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God's sake just stick with one topic and

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I you know I was taking a little back I

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wasn't prepared for that and I I thought

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about and I said you know I do cover a

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lot of topics I said that if you look

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closely every book I've ever written and

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each topic that you've just mentioned

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they represent one facet of the human

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experience of our experience in this

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lifetime so in a very real sense I have

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stayed with one topic it just happens to

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be a big topic and he said okay let's go

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the station break and I never heard from

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him again

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[Laughter]

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so if you look at the hit the breadth of

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the work that I've offered to date and

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I'm not finished there's a lot more

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coming that's precisely what I've done

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and I've explored one facet of our

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experience in depth in each of those

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books and those are the books that that

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you mentioned at the beginning of the

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program that are out there now I wanted

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to ask you about when you when you're

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going through the education side of

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things and you're dealing with the

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possibility of professors and

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instructors that are closed-minded as

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especially to things that are outside of

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the box they want to stick to the rules

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which is fine but was there a moment

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where you were you know looking at both

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sides of the the coin here where you

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went okay hold on wait a minute

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this needs to stop I don't really trust

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what I'm being taught here there's

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something else going on absolutely and

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you know what you're describing not only

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has happened to me it's half of the many

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of my friends and colleagues dr. bruce

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lipton evolutionary biologist was

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writing medical students and and he was

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not allowed to share with his students

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the results of the experiments and the

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research that he was required to perform

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Joe Dispenza

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healthcare practitioner chiropractor

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began to understand that the human body

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there's so much more to the human body

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then he'd been led to

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believe and and the three of us are

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friends and colleagues we work together

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frequently now but independently before

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we knew one another we all made the same

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choice to leave our respective

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professions we could have stayed I could

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have stayed in the corporations as

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scientist I had a very good career my my

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last career is with Cisco Systems I was

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a first tech office manager in Palo Alto

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California

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Bruce was teaching at Stanford you know

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Joe had his own practice we could have

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stayed in those careers written white

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papers about our discoveries that would

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be buried in academia we all made the

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choice and others have as well these I'm

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just giving three examples not I'm

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looking for those men I'm just sharing

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that we've had common experiences each

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of us in our own way made the choice to

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leave those respective professions to

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take the discoveries peer-reviewed

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science these aren't our hypotheses

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necessarily or our theories this is rock

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solid science that simply is not being

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shared in the mainstream classrooms

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textbooks it's not being shared even in

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mainstream documentaries and take this

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information directly to the people

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because that's how you bring about

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change and to be honest the the speed of

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the change that we're seeing in the

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world today we really don't have the

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time to take a peer-reviewed paper and

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run it through six or eight years of a

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peer-reviewed cycle and have it

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published in some obscure journal so you

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know we can still do that and you know

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we write and we contribute where we can

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but I did recognize pretty early on that

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what we're being taught in mainstream

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science is a subset of a much deeper a

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much more all-embracing science that has

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the potential to free humankind from the

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bonds and the shackles of the suffering

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that had been the hallmark for 5,000

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years of human history including war I

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believe that we have the ability to to

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raise the standard of living for people

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in the world that in a way that makes

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scarcity of resources obsolete because

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of the abundance of the resources

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available to us

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when it comes to these advanced

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technologies we see evidence of it in

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ancient traditions and the new sciences

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is leading us to these understandings in

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the world around us Jimmy but where I'm

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really focused right now is the world

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within us because what I've also come to

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understand is the more we know the

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better we understand ourselves the less

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we fear one another unless we fear

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change in the world and the human body

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our origin our potential the

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extraordinary capacities that we have

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are simply not shared in the mainstream

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and these are the things that I'm really

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passionate about talking about right now

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for reasons that I know that we'll get

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into technology is actually infringing

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upon our very humanists right now we're

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on the verge of giving our humaneness

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away before we even know what it means

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to be fully human so when we when we

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marry

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all of these things together we're on

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this the the horizon of this just the

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threshold of the unleashing of powerful

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internal and external technology that

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changes everything when it comes to the

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way we think of ourselves and the way we

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solve our problems do you find that the

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way that science and I'm talking about

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physics and quantum physics and and

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cosmology biology science is moving at

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such a rapid clip right now and it is

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forcing them into areas of consciousness

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and spirituality that they're not going

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to be able to avoid that they are

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they're going to continue to overlap and

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we will have those answers about what

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makes us us and the soul and

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consciousness two things are happening

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simultaneously on the one hand science

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largely has been hijacked in the modern

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world in the Western world by competing

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interests so corporate interests have

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hijacked science to cherry-pick data and

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use that cherry-pick science to support

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corporate goals the same thing has

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happened with politics the same thing

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has happened with religion

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and same thing has happened with

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academia so science can only serve us

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Jimmy if we keep it honest and science

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is designed to be constantly updated as

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new discoveries come to light and what

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we find right now is we're living in a

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world where the academics want static

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science there's a story there's a battle

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there's a battle unfolding in our world

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that's happening is playing out before

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your eyes and my eyes and in the eyes of

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the Western world there's a battle

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playing out to maintain what's called

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the standard model and that is the story

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of how the universe began and how humans

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began in what our potential is really

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all about and there is an old way of

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thinking that's a very limiting way of

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thinking and that limited thinking is a

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static model the new discoveries that

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you're talking about are upsetting that

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model so we've asked science to tell us

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who we are and science is giving us

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answers and many scientists don't like

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the answers and so one of the places

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that I'm really seeing this is it when

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it comes to to evolution and where the

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conversation gets really sticky my

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friends who are college professors well

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they're my friends until we have this

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conversation because because the new

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discoveries are overturning a hundred

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and fifty years of thinking when it

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comes to us where we came from how we

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originated what our potential is and I

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know we'll get into this as we go

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through our evening but the new

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discoveries this is the point the new

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discoveries no longer support the old

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story so I asked my my colleagues you

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know my professor friends I said why

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can't you share these new discoveries

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with with your students and they tell me

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three things first they say great if if

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I share the new discoveries they say it

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will invalidate my 40-year career of

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what I've been teaching my students and

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I said no no no I said science is

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designed to be updated it would show

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your students how relevant science

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continues to be in their lives and then

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he said well he says think

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how much money that would cost you know

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to change all the textbooks and I said

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man you're a dinosaur your your students

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there they're learning online I said you

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change it on the server him and it's

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changed everywhere and he said well I'd

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have to change all my class notes he

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said I've got 40 years of class notes

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and and I'd have to change all this and

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I said that's what they're paying you

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for you know and so here here's what I'm

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hearing my professor friends are saying

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00:24:42,499 --> 00:24:39,570
the new science is so revolutionary I'm

551
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:42,509
gonna let the new professors the new

552
00:24:46,639 --> 00:24:44,369
guard I'm gonna leave it to them to

553
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:46,649
figure out how to teach this I'm going

554
00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:48,059
to stick with the old story until I

555
00:24:53,509 --> 00:24:50,429
retire in a couple of years I'm not even

556
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:53,519
going to tackle this this revolution

557
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:55,049
that the new science is bringing on will

558
00:24:59,180 --> 00:24:56,820
let the new young professors you know

559
00:25:00,979 --> 00:24:59,190
take care of that so this is what's

560
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:00,989
happening we're actually teaching our

561
00:25:07,099 --> 00:25:04,769
young people obsolete science based upon

562
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:07,109
false assumptions and we're asking them

563
00:25:11,239 --> 00:25:09,059
to solve the problems that we've left in

564
00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:11,249
the world based upon information that we

565
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,070
know isn't is not true so that's that is

566
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:16,679
where we are today and it's changing and

567
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,700
the change is happening slowly and as we

568
00:25:24,919 --> 00:25:22,679
travel the world myself and some of my

569
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:24,929
colleagues that I've spoken with I'll

570
00:25:29,479 --> 00:25:26,970
just be very honest when we leave the

571
00:25:32,299 --> 00:25:29,489
borders of this big beautiful country

572
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:32,309
that I love so much we leave the safety

573
00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:34,049
and the borders of America there's an

574
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:37,230
openness beyond America that is so much

575
00:25:44,989 --> 00:25:41,279
greater to receive and accept and apply

576
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:44,999
this information America is is open but

577
00:25:50,499 --> 00:25:47,639
they're not nearly as open as as we see

578
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:50,509
people in Europe South America Australia

579
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:54,960
Middle East it's just amazing this this

580
00:26:00,979 --> 00:25:57,570
revolution in thought that is sweeping

581
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,989
the earth so fast Jimmy and and a lot of

582
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,700
people just don't realize how fast it's

583
00:26:06,919 --> 00:26:04,559
actually happening yeah I couldn't agree

584
00:26:09,379 --> 00:26:06,929
with you more and on so many different

585
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:09,389
points here and we'll we'll come back

586
00:26:14,749 --> 00:26:11,970
after the break but I want to circle

587
00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:14,759
back to your comment about you know tech

588
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:18,299
starting to replace our evolution right

589
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:21,929
our own growth and I saw this a couple

590
00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:23,849
of years ago and it's like burned into

591
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:24,740
my

592
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:27,710
Gregg I saw this picture it's in a

593
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:30,470
museum it's in an art museum and in the

594
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,320
background you see this ginormous like

595
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:36,320
10 foot by 10 foot classic Renaissance

596
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:38,870
painting beautiful right just gorgeous

597
00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:42,890
in front of it is a couch with five

598
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:45,950
little girls sitting there staring at

599
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:47,180
their cell phones

600
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[Laughter]

601
00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:53,059
you know and I just it was astonishing

602
00:26:58,510 --> 00:26:56,059
to me it was very prophetic but you know

603
00:27:00,279 --> 00:26:58,520
it goes beyond that so we can begin this

604
00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:00,289
conversation now we can pick it up on

605
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:03,500
the other side of the short shirt there

606
00:27:08,769 --> 00:27:06,500
there's technology it's happening so

607
00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:08,779
quickly that technology is being

608
00:27:15,779 --> 00:27:13,220
introduced to replace human biology and

609
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:15,789
I'm talking about even replaced neurons

610
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:19,700
so quickly and I'll give an example of

611
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:21,169
this in here in just a moment but the

612
00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:25,250
key is when we replace our biology with

613
00:27:31,539 --> 00:27:28,220
wires and circuits that biology begins

614
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:31,549
to atrophy within our bodies and and

615
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:34,610
when it happens in one generation you

616
00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:37,100
know it can be fun to accept these new

617
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:39,620
technologies but pretty soon just like

618
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:42,110
there was a generation where cell phones

619
00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:45,230
was an option now you know we we hardly

620
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:46,549
know anyone that doesn't have a cell

621
00:27:49,570 --> 00:27:47,929
phone it's a way of life and there's an

622
00:27:52,779 --> 00:27:49,580
entire generation of young people that

623
00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:52,789
only know communication through through

624
00:27:57,789 --> 00:27:54,500
digital communication through their

625
00:28:00,669 --> 00:27:57,799
handheld device a couple years ago Elon

626
00:28:02,409 --> 00:28:00,679
Musk I think all of our listeners know

627
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:02,419
know who he is here a developer of

628
00:28:07,149 --> 00:28:04,700
PayPal and Tesla and SpaceX and a

629
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:07,159
brilliant man visionary

630
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:10,220
innovator wealthy has got a big vision

631
00:28:14,919 --> 00:28:12,520
and he's pushing the boundaries of

632
00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:14,929
technology and I'm not saying this right

633
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:17,419
wrong good or bad and I'm saying that it

634
00:28:25,419 --> 00:28:22,210
is opening our eyes to the morality of

635
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:25,429
the role that we want technology to play

636
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,460
in our lives so here's a perfect example

637
00:28:31,649 --> 00:28:30,620
he just a company public called

638
00:28:35,289 --> 00:28:31,659
mirrorlink

639
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,299
this was happened last year but they

640
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:37,039
actually made the news mid-year this

641
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:37,910
year

642
00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:40,820
and it's the first interface actually

643
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:43,220
implanted it's a chip implanted into the

644
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:46,270
human brain so neurons are actually

645
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:49,730
linked into ports on this chip in the

646
00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:52,330
human brain to link the human brain

647
00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:55,300
directly to the hard drive of a computer

648
00:29:00,400 --> 00:28:58,940
with wireless technology so you know

649
00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:00,410
young people when they hear that they

650
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:02,420
say oh you know sweet man I can play my

651
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,590
games right

652
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:06,080
you know without using any wires here's

653
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:10,510
deal we are such technologically

654
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:13,070
biologically sophisticated beings we

655
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:15,890
have neurons that already perform that

656
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:17,990
function that we are not even told about

657
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:21,020
and we don't even use and what the the

658
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:24,050
science is showing is from other other

659
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:28,130
technologies is when humans begin to

660
00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:30,770
rely on something other than their own

661
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:34,790
biology to perform even reproduction

662
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:36,680
this is actually something that's

663
00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:39,830
happening in some parts of Asia where

664
00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:42,200
the human reproduction is being replaced

665
00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:44,540
by other forms of reproduction and what

666
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,520
they're finding is the fertility rates

667
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:47,840
have dropped the sperm counts have

668
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:50,560
dropped the the number of mortalities

669
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,750
now exceeds the number of live births

670
00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:56,480
and they're attributing this to to the

671
00:30:03,100 --> 00:29:59,270
role the technology's playing in our

672
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:03,110
lives we begin to replace human neurons

673
00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:06,020
with chips one generation it's kind of a

674
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:07,460
cool thing to do but pretty soon that's

675
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:10,490
all we know and we begin to lose that

676
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:12,950
aspect of our humanists and again I'm

677
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:14,360
not saying it's right or wrong or good

678
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:17,450
or bad but at least know who we are know

679
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:19,610
what that potential is before we make

680
00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:21,410
the choice to give it away yeah it only

681
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:24,590
takes one generation that's it yeah it's

682
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:27,050
altered immediately let's take our break

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right here Greg our guest tonight is

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Gregg Braden this is fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church I'm the game

686
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changer networking kgr a the planet you

687
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:38,660
can follow me on twitter at JDO you can

688
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follow Greg on Twitter at Gregg Braden

689
00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:43,550
Greg with two g's and the links are

690
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:46,430
right up in Twitter in our feed we'll be

691
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:48,230
right back after this short break stay

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with us

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[Music]

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00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:11,289
all right welcome back may the block I

695
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am your host Jimmy church tonight gregg

696
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braden is with us want to remind

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everybody the scheduling changes this

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week tomorrow night is Fator night open

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lines Wednesday night Lin pick nits and

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Clyde prints are here and then Thursday

701
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:27,799
night live from India deep Prasad

702
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:30,250
tonight it's Gregg Braden and and Gregg

703
00:31:35,259 --> 00:31:32,809
we were discussing right before the

704
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:35,269
break about replacing our own biology

705
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:38,600
with technology there are aspects to it

706
00:31:44,139 --> 00:31:42,049
that I'm sort of okay with like say for

707
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:44,149
instance music I don't think guitar is

708
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:46,490
ever gonna go away but we've got a lot

709
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:49,070
of electronic drums out there there's

710
00:31:54,730 --> 00:31:52,700
that part or digital painting and the

711
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:54,740
creation of digital art I don't think

712
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:56,860
paintbrushes are going to get replaced

713
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,799
and when you look at real fine art you

714
00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:03,919
can appreciate and feel the human

715
00:32:09,639 --> 00:32:06,830
element in it when brushes are used but

716
00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:09,649
then there's the other part where if we

717
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:12,950
start to depend on technology to think

718
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:16,460
for us with smart devices smart

719
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:19,490
everything smart cars well things are

720
00:32:25,389 --> 00:32:22,490
gonna change our brains will not be

721
00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:25,399
responding the same way as they did a

722
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:27,620
couple of generations ago right oh

723
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:30,500
absolutely I was just gonna clarify that

724
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:32,090
when we came on this side of the hour

725
00:32:36,879 --> 00:32:34,429
you know the technology is never good or

726
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:36,889
bad it's how it's applied and what

727
00:32:41,889 --> 00:32:39,710
typically happens in science is that the

728
00:32:44,919 --> 00:32:41,899
technology is developed first and then

729
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:44,929
we have to catch up we have to backtrack

730
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:47,509
and say you know how do we use this and

731
00:32:53,259 --> 00:32:50,690
do we have the right to use this I I've

732
00:32:55,899 --> 00:32:53,269
been the scientific community for most

733
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:55,909
of my adult life and one of the things

734
00:33:00,909 --> 00:32:58,850
the ongoing battle that you will always

735
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:00,919
hear between scientists at the water

736
00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:03,860
cooler over the coffee machine or you

737
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:05,419
know in the bar after work or in the

738
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:07,340
laboratory it's the same one there

739
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:10,370
there's one school of thinking one camp

740
00:33:17,259 --> 00:33:14,750
that says because we have developed this

741
00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:17,269
technology because we've done it it

742
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:20,539
gives us the right to apply this in our

743
00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:22,370
lives if we were never meant to

744
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:23,780
but we never would have developed it

745
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:26,030
that's one way of thinking another way

746
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:29,240
of thinking is just because we can does

747
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:30,920
not necessarily mean that we should

748
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:33,950
apply this in our lives it's like you

749
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:35,720
know you might have a Ferrari I was just

750
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:37,850
with a friend in Zurich Switzerland has

751
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:40,280
got a Maserati and the speedometer

752
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:42,830
clocks it much higher then you know they

753
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:45,110
really want you to drive on the freeway

754
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:46,790
so just because you can doesn't

755
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:48,260
necessarily mean that you that you

756
00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:50,210
should so I'm gonna give you a perfect

757
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:54,040
example of this up until a few years ago

758
00:34:00,970 --> 00:33:58,340
the idea of gene editing was pretty much

759
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:00,980
science fiction you know on any kind of

760
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:04,460
a large scale a few years ago technology

761
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:05,870
was developed and I'm sure you've got a

762
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:07,610
very sophisticated audience here and I'm

763
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:09,050
sure they're familiar with it's called

764
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:11,950
CRISPR mmm-hmm so just the way that we

765
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:15,230
edit words with a word editor on the

766
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:18,050
computer you can bring up a strand of

767
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:22,220
DNA and delete and add in splice genes

768
00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:24,770
with an editor the same way so we've had

769
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:26,300
this for a while you know scientists

770
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:28,190
been using it with worms and flies and

771
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:30,290
you know certain kinds of crops and

772
00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:31,030
things like that

773
00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:34,899
last year 2018 all of a sudden

774
00:34:39,970 --> 00:34:37,100
completely unexpected a Chinese

775
00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:39,980
scientist announced that the first set

776
00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:43,070
of twins had been born as the result of

777
00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:45,320
gene editing and the scientific

778
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:47,149
community came down on him like a ton of

779
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:48,590
bricks and they said wait a minute

780
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:51,290
you know we never agreed that we were

781
00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:53,720
going to use this you know for real we

782
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:55,700
were talking about developing it and

783
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,980
what the potential is you know and he

784
00:35:01,930 --> 00:35:00,560
was of the thinking hey you know if we

785
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:01,940
if we weren't meant to use it we

786
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:05,210
wouldn't have it so now the science has

787
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:06,530
to catch up and there's a huge

788
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:11,090
scientific debate over how we edit the

789
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:13,490
DNA of unborn children who is it that

790
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:15,890
makes the choice of what's a desirable

791
00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:18,770
trait and what's not and how did they

792
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:22,220
filter that through their history of you

793
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:24,080
know their experience and and you know

794
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:26,750
do we do we make all children have the

795
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,570
same intelligence I - or you know

796
00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:31,520
intelligence quotient or do they all

797
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:33,260
have the same color of hair or what's an

798
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:35,540
undesirable color of hair that we want

799
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:35,670
to

800
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:38,010
take out and this is science is really

801
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,049
struggling with this right now and this

802
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:42,960
is an example of where the technology

803
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:46,170
has advanced before the morality do we

804
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:49,950
have to write do we have to have a DNA

805
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,599
police write like DNA courts well this

806
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:57,359
is where this is where the next part of

807
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:59,579
our conversation comes in my personal

808
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:02,099
feeling and I'll be very clear with with

809
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:03,990
you sitting here on your couch and the

810
00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:07,020
buzzer that might be listening I I'll

811
00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:08,819
separate the peer-reviewed science from

812
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:11,309
my personal feeling the research that

813
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:15,349
I've done the the science that I've seen

814
00:36:21,049 --> 00:36:18,359
in this you know over 60 years of my

815
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,059
life now there are some things I really

816
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,400
think are that we shouldn't be messing

817
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:26,099
with because of the way they were

818
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:29,030
created and human DNA is part of that

819
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:33,089
one of the the paradigm shattering

820
00:36:38,059 --> 00:36:35,010
discoveries I mean this is just blowing

821
00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:38,069
the doors it's it's like an earthquake

822
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,349
shaking the foundations of the life

823
00:36:46,099 --> 00:36:43,140
sciences and biology is that evolution

824
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,109
as we have been led to understand it is

825
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:48,660
not our story and I want to be really

826
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:49,950
clear about what I'm saying here I'm a

827
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:53,099
geologist and I've seen evidence of

828
00:36:56,539 --> 00:36:54,839
evolution in the fossil evolutions of

829
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:56,549
fact I've seen it in the fossil record

830
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,720
for many plants many insects many many

831
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:03,480
forms of life the story of evolution

832
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:06,450
breaks down when it comes to humans and

833
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:09,630
this is really really causing a lot of

834
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,270
problems the theory of evolution is in

835
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:14,460
trouble right now so I'm going to give

836
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:16,410
you two two different ways of looking at

837
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,140
one is the physical evidence supporting

838
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,930
evolution has never existed if you look

839
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:23,579
at one of those evolutionary family

840
00:37:28,789 --> 00:37:26,910
trees you see on you know the PBS or the

841
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:28,799
Nova special we're in the Smithsonian

842
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:32,220
magazine you know you see us a skull of

843
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:33,630
a modern human at the top and then you

844
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:34,710
see all the branches of this tree

845
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:37,109
connecting it to all these other forms

846
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:40,710
of life and if you look closely those

847
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:42,990
branches typically are either broken

848
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,109
lines or the legend that tells you that

849
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:49,140
they are what are called inferred

850
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,570
or speculative for relationships they

851
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:54,660
are believed to exist although no

852
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:57,050
physical evidence has ever been found

853
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,640
linking us to those other forms of life

854
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:01,920
physical evidence now that theory was

855
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:05,190
proposed in 1859 and from the time it

856
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:07,530
was proposed a lot of scientists had a

857
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:09,990
problem with a theory so we've known

858
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,970
this and if that is all there was I

859
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,380
probably wouldn't even be having this

860
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:15,480
conversation with you but the new

861
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,580
discoveries now that are changing

862
00:38:21,130 --> 00:38:19,200
everything go beyond the physical

863
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:21,140
evidence Jimmy now we're looking at DNA

864
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:23,550
so I think some of our listeners

865
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,380
probably remember there was a movie

866
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,720
Jurassic Park the first Jurassic Park

867
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:30,300
came out a few years ago where it was

868
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:33,020
science fiction at the time where DNA

869
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:36,090
was extracted from the fossilized

870
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:39,450
remains of ancient forms of life and in

871
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:42,960
the movie that DNA was was reconstituted

872
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:45,030
it was brought back to life well to the

873
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,260
best of my knowledge we haven't gone

874
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:48,720
quite that far but what we are able to

875
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:51,840
do now is we have we I say we the

876
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:54,390
scientific community we have the ability

877
00:38:58,850 --> 00:38:56,850
to extract the DNA from fossilized

878
00:39:01,760 --> 00:38:58,860
remains of ancient forms of life

879
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:01,770
including the forms of life that were

880
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:04,830
once believes to be our ancestors that

881
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:08,040
we had descended from so now we're that

882
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:09,690
comes usually it comes from the bone

883
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,110
marrow and a lot of times the ribs of

884
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:16,440
those those primitive beings are where

885
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,390
you find the best preserved bone marrow

886
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,180
so now we're able to build a genome of

887
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:23,460
those ancient forms of life and compare

888
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:25,710
it to modern DNA today and this is the

889
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:27,840
kicker this is what's blowing the doors

890
00:39:33,590 --> 00:39:30,330
off of of the ideas of evolution is

891
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:33,600
there's not enough DNA overlap to

892
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,250
suggest that we have descended from

893
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:37,440
those forms of life for example we did

894
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:39,330
not descend from Neanderthal we now know

895
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:43,500
that we there's not enough common DNA to

896
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,930
show that we descended from them we we

897
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,420
shared the earth with them and we

898
00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:50,640
probably interbred with them and that's

899
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:53,750
why some people do you know if you go to

900
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,270
23andme or ancestry.com and they have

901
00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:59,280
your DNA analyzed you might find if you

902
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:02,520
have some some Neanderthal DNA because

903
00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:04,410
there was in her breeding but we shared

904
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:06,120
the years with them we did not descend

905
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:08,820
from them so this is this is one of the

906
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,950
discoveries we did not descend from

907
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:13,020
those forms of life but but here's where

908
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:15,930
it gets really interesting we showed up

909
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:18,660
we as anatomically modern humans this is

910
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:21,660
what we're called AMH is the acronym in

911
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:24,210
the scientific jargon anatomically

912
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:26,730
modern humans we appeared on earth about

913
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:29,940
200,000 years ago and scientists agree

914
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:31,410
with that there's no controversy there

915
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:35,400
the problem is how we got to be where we

916
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:38,430
are there is no evolutionary path

917
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:41,370
leading to our emergence we showed up

918
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:45,450
jimy fully with a brain 50% larger than

919
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:48,300
our nearest primate relatives with this

920
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:51,390
this advanced neural network in our

921
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:53,850
heart and in our brain and in our bodies

922
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,370
with the same body proportions we have

923
00:41:00,590 --> 00:40:58,380
today with the same capacities the same

924
00:41:02,570 --> 00:41:00,600
capabilities we have today and what the

925
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,580
DNA is showing is we showed up and we

926
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,160
have not changed since we appeared that

927
00:41:11,330 --> 00:41:07,500
is a problem for Darwin's idea of

928
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:11,340
evolution when we start looking at the

929
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,610
specific chromosomes that give us our

930
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,420
uniqueness as humans this is where it

931
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:21,000
just goes right off the charts because

932
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:25,170
we're looking at mutations in the human

933
00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:28,350
genome that could not have happened

934
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,080
through evolutionary processes and and

935
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:33,660
the scientists say that in the technical

936
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:35,730
pin of national for the proceedings for

937
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,410
National Academy of Sciences for example

938
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,200
on the volume genetics talking about

939
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,780
human chromosome number two chromosome

940
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:45,900
two gives us our larger brain it gives

941
00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:48,830
us our capacities for empathy sympathy

942
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:52,350
emotion self regulation compassion all

943
00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:54,660
those things that make us human that

944
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:57,390
chromosome is a result of a fusion Jimmy

945
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,570
it's a fusion of two pre-existing

946
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:02,760
chromosomes that after the fusion

947
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:06,350
happened the DNA was tweaked genes were

948
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:09,710
removed genes were added and all of this

949
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:12,570
didn't make any sense to us until we saw

950
00:42:16,340 --> 00:42:14,220
the CRISPR technology within the last

951
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:16,350
few years it looks like

952
00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:19,230
crisper type event except it happened

953
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:21,750
over 200,000 years ago and in others

954
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:24,330
chromosome 7 you can allowed this you're

955
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:25,830
a musician I didn't know this I'm a

956
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:28,320
musician so as a musician have you ever

957
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:33,030
wondered why chimpanzees that share 98%

958
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:35,610
of our DNA can't sing you ever wondered

959
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,750
what you're never going to see a

960
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:38,820
chimpanzee sing stairway to heaven right

961
00:42:45,110 --> 00:42:42,660
and and the answer the answer why that

962
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:45,120
cannot happen is because there is a

963
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:49,260
mutation in human chromosome 7 that had

964
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:52,470
not occurred previously for 75 million

965
00:42:57,590 --> 00:42:55,230
years and all of a sudden this mutation

966
00:43:00,980 --> 00:42:57,600
happened and it happened exactly at the

967
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:00,990
same time that 200,000 year mark and you

968
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:04,410
see this time and time again so so we

969
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:06,870
can go on and on with this let me jump

970
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:09,330
in though Greg what are what are we

971
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:11,400
suggesting here I'll give you a

972
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:15,300
suggestion this is my suggestion that

973
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:19,280
that quite possibly we were placed here

974
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:24,000
you know that that that we just appeared

975
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,570
here how that happened I don't know I

976
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:30,000
don't know if it's offworld if it's

977
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,730
somebody visited here and did did some

978
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:35,760
CRISPR work 200,000 years ago but I can

979
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:38,190
tell you what it wasn't it wasn't a

980
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:42,630
lightning strike that magically altered

981
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:45,900
our DNA cook the soup in the ocean right

982
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:48,630
it wasn't wasn't the lightning exactly

983
00:43:52,610 --> 00:43:50,490
well tell me what you're saying this is

984
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:52,620
the very point the evidence does not

985
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,100
support the story and the point is we

986
00:44:01,160 --> 00:43:58,380
don't have the answer because we're

987
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:01,170
forcing our young people to follow a

988
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:03,150
story that the evidence doesn't support

989
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:04,710
even though we know it's no longer true

990
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:07,460
there there's a huge difference between

991
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:11,360
forcing all of the existing data into a

992
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:14,280
predetermined story sure to support that

993
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:18,810
story and following the evidence to

994
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:20,730
whatever story it's going to lead that

995
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:25,140
lead us to and and my feeling is as we

996
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,080
follow the evidence to wherever it leads

997
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:30,480
we're writing a new human so

998
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:34,410
it's going to to free us in so many ways

999
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:36,630
from the shackles of these these

1000
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:38,130
limiting beliefs that we've had in the

1001
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:42,090
past but the point is we we we can't get

1002
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:45,150
there scientifically until we free our

1003
00:44:51,350 --> 00:44:48,780
scientists from the bonds of these

1004
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,360
pre-existing ideas that are being

1005
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,460
imposed upon them through the system

1006
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:55,740
through the university system and in the

1007
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,480
academics and I'm not saying through

1008
00:45:02,300 --> 00:44:59,640
Darwin's ideas out we've got smart young

1009
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:02,310
people in these schools give them all of

1010
00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:03,870
the data give them all of the evidence

1011
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,870
show them Darb Darwin's ideas show them

1012
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,940
the new discoveries so that they've got

1013
00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:10,800
everything they need to go after this

1014
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,820
answer and and tell us in a way that is

1015
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:17,880
accepted in a language is not based in

1016
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:20,490
religion and the language of science who

1017
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:22,260
we are and where we've come from and

1018
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:24,140
when we begin to understand those things

1019
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:26,190
then we begin to look at one another

1020
00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:27,990
very differently and we begin to look at

1021
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:30,120
our relationship to the world very

1022
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:31,650
differently and I think that's where

1023
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:34,790
peace begins and that's where a

1024
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:37,740
compassionate sharing world really

1025
00:45:43,310 --> 00:45:41,460
begins so the the the new discoveries I

1026
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,320
mean these what I'm saying to you this

1027
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:45,300
is peer-reviewed science you know write

1028
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:46,740
about my books I'll talk it about the

1029
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:48,180
conscious life x-bow I'll show great

1030
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:51,660
pictures of you know how these things

1031
00:45:57,830 --> 00:45:54,510
happened they that the mutations

1032
00:46:00,200 --> 00:45:57,840
happened all at the same period of time

1033
00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:00,210
that two hundred thousand year mark so

1034
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:03,230
as a scientist what I have to say is

1035
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:06,390
that when I'm asked what caused those

1036
00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:09,030
mutations I have to say it appears there

1037
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:11,790
is some form of intervention now what

1038
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:13,710
that intervention is I don't know as a

1039
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,010
scientist but here's what I also know as

1040
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:19,560
I have spent so much of my adult life

1041
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:21,870
with indigenous traditions and ancient

1042
00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:24,660
texts I've not studied every tradition

1043
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:26,340
Jimmy but every one that I have studied

1044
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,380
is different as they are from one

1045
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:30,480
another there's a common theme and that

1046
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:32,180
common theme is that we are the product

1047
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:34,950
of an intelligent intervention and that

1048
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:36,920
we are related to something so much more

1049
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,800
than the limited way that we've been led

1050
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,720
to think of ourselves in the world we're

1051
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:44,220
part of a much greater community

1052
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,770
we we have this extraordinary potential

1053
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:48,780
and it's for that reason I'm going to

1054
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:51,510
tie this back it's for that reason until

1055
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:55,859
we embrace the deep truth of what that

1056
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:57,930
science is showing us I don't think we

1057
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:01,800
want to be tweaking the DNA and that we

1058
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,590
appeared with 200,000 years ago another

1059
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,420
way of saying it is the DNA that we were

1060
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,359
given this extraordinary potential you

1061
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,240
know in evolutionary biology a lot of

1062
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:15,359
people don't know this Charles Darwin is

1063
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:18,030
noted often as the author but he had a

1064
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:19,590
co-author of the theories name was

1065
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,180
Alfred Wallace and one of the tenants of

1066
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:25,380
evolutionary biology is that nature

1067
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:29,760
never over endowed a species with more

1068
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,220
than it needs in the moment of its

1069
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:34,619
existence that's right so in other words

1070
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,099
it's it's only when circumstances

1071
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:40,859
present us with a need to develop new

1072
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:42,510
abilities and new capabilities new ways

1073
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:44,490
of seeing or hearing or tasting or

1074
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:46,650
assimilating food or whatever it is that

1075
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:48,810
we develop those and and this is the

1076
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,260
problem we appeared over and out we are

1077
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:54,060
an over endowed species I know some

1078
00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:56,550
people love to hear that and you can you

1079
00:48:01,579 --> 00:47:58,710
can take that in a lot of places but we

1080
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:01,589
are an over endowed species because we

1081
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,280
appeared 200,000 years ago within

1082
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:07,260
internal technology light-years beyond

1083
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:08,760
what we needed for our everyday

1084
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:11,849
existence already intact it did not

1085
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:13,530
develop slowly gradually over a long

1086
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,810
period of time that is a problem for

1087
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:17,099
evolutionary biology

1088
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:18,930
now can I play devil's advocate for a

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second yeah I'm your guy I'm I'm one of

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00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,730
your fellow educator sitting across the

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00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:29,280
table let you say this and I leaned

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00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,150
forward and I say what do you mean

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00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:34,560
intelligent intervention what are you

1094
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,890
really trying to say here I'm not I want

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00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:40,160
you to be clear you know what I mean I

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00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:42,990
and that's that was what I would say to

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00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:46,440
that - that educator I would say you

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00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:48,630
just hit the nail on the head I don't

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00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,250
know and neither do you

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00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:54,060
educator and we don't know as a society

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00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:56,180
because we've not allowed ourselves to

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00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:58,060
answer this question

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00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:00,310
to the fullest extent we're running the

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00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:01,090
other way

1105
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,170
discounting the evidence when I say

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00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:06,670
intelligent intervention our own

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00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,370
scientist peer-reviewed science there is

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00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:11,440
a an organization of proceedings

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00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:13,770
National Academy of Sciences this is a

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00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,780
peer-reviewed publication when they

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00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:18,640
began writing about human chromosome 2

1112
00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:20,710
they were the first that said this

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00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:23,980
fusion and the tweaking that happened

1114
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:26,500
after the fusion occurred that gives us

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00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:28,660
our uniqueness could not be the product

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00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:31,840
of evolutionary processes something

1117
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:34,540
happened that that evolution cannot

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00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:38,830
explain so this is where another there's

1119
00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:40,810
two ways of thinking of this I have

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00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:42,580
colleagues that say we've got to answer

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00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:44,370
the question we have to know who we are

1122
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:47,020
before we know what our potential is and

1123
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:49,210
I'm taking the other path Jimmy on what

1124
00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:53,680
I'm saying is let's develop the fullest

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00:49:59,730 --> 00:49:56,920
extent of our extraordinary potential

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00:50:03,000 --> 00:49:59,740
these extraordinary capabilities that we

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00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,010
all have of super super cognition super

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00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:05,440
perception super immune response super

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00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:08,050
longevity the ability to access deep

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00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:10,900
states of intuition on demand to heal

1131
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:13,300
our bodies quickly than sciences has

1132
00:50:16,650 --> 00:50:15,130
been led to believe and we do all this

1133
00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:16,660
I've read about my books doing our

1134
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:19,860
workshops so that my colleagues by

1135
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:23,730
embracing the deep truth of who we are I

1136
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:27,160
think that will lead us to understand

1137
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:30,580
our relationship to who or whatever it

1138
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:32,350
is that is responsible for us being here

1139
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:33,670
it's a very very different way of

1140
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:35,290
thinking yeah and I want to continue

1141
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:38,230
this after the break but I want to ask

1142
00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:43,690
you this before the break did the did

1143
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:47,260
the technology movement that happened at

1144
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:49,420
an extraordinarily fast rate back in

1145
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:54,790
1995 until today it is completely out of

1146
00:51:01,890 --> 00:50:57,460
our control now it's too much too fast

1147
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:01,900
and it is causing changes on this planet

1148
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:04,360
with consciousness with the the

1149
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:07,450
infighting the divisive nests the

1150
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:10,840
complexity of things was it too much to

1151
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:15,160
fast for us to handle in my opinion I

1152
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:17,800
don't think so and and the reason I say

1153
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:19,600
that relates to something that we have

1154
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:22,450
not yet talked about tonight but as a

1155
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:25,630
scientist I'm a systems thinker and I'm

1156
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:29,290
also process oriented and when I look at

1157
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:32,710
systems I look at the history of our

1158
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:36,250
planet in terms of systems in cycles and

1159
00:51:44,190 --> 00:51:40,330
I look at the history of life and human

1160
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:44,200
civilization and human emergence in

1161
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,660
terms of cycles and when you step back

1162
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:48,400
and you look at the big picture Jimmy

1163
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,890
what you find it's a very different

1164
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:52,000
story than what we've been led to

1165
00:51:56,730 --> 00:51:53,740
believe when when I was in school back

1166
00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:56,740
in the 50s 60s early 70s you know I was

1167
00:52:01,770 --> 00:51:59,710
taught that civilization began in a

1168
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:01,780
primitive state and it was a linear

1169
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:05,110
growth up to this pinnacle that we find

1170
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:08,350
today the problem is the archaeology

1171
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:10,690
doesn't support that linear model with

1172
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:13,210
the archaeology says is that we are the

1173
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:15,970
product of cycles of civilization and

1174
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:18,460
those cycles are largely driven by

1175
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:20,530
cosmic cycles that affect everything

1176
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:24,220
from climate to sea levels to

1177
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:27,460
consciousness so when I look at what has

1178
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:29,800
happened within the context of those

1179
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:31,530
cycles what I say is we are right on

1180
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:34,900
it's it's an evolutionary acceleration

1181
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:39,010
and the technology had to happen quickly

1182
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:42,310
to push us to understand our

1183
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:45,010
relationship to that technology within

1184
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:47,110
where we are in the cycle so I know

1185
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:48,760
that's that's a lot to unpack and when

1186
00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:50,110
we come back from you know from our

1187
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:51,400
break we can talk about that in more

1188
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:54,250
detail how do we how do we slow it down

1189
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:56,770
though that's the thing so we can fully

1190
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,810
understand how it's affecting us is

1191
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:00,640
there a way to pump the brakes and and

1192
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:04,120
take a breath in terms of the technology

1193
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:06,310
yes I don't think so

1194
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:07,750
it's kind of like the genies out of the

1195
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:10,570
bottle right what has happened is the

1196
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:12,310
traditional boundaries between the

1197
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:14,650
sciences are collapsing so the

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00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:16,420
discoveries in physics are now being

1199
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:18,670
applied to biology and the discoveries

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00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:21,070
in chemistry are now being applied to

1201
00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:23,350
physiology and neurology and there are

1202
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:23,620
new

1203
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,590
Sciences like neuro cardiology that are

1204
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:28,240
linking the heart in the brain in ways

1205
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:30,900
that we never did in the past so I think

1206
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:34,060
the the the breakdown of the boundaries

1207
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:36,940
between the technologies is leading us

1208
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:41,680
to a wisdom that is greater than in its

1209
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:44,890
in its totality then what we have done

1210
00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:46,330
with the compartmentalized

1211
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:48,790
wisdom of the past I'm just a quick

1212
00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:50,200
example that's the best way to describe

1213
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:52,600
this when I was a geologist back in the

1214
00:53:58,110 --> 00:53:56,110
70s I was studying geophysics in the

1215
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,120
magnetic fields of the earth it was

1216
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:00,160
obvious that the magnetic fields of the

1217
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:02,530
earth are changing very quickly and my

1218
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:04,210
question was what does that mean to us

1219
00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:06,910
to to biological beings and my

1220
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,620
colleagues they looked at me and they

1221
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:09,760
said you know don't ask me I'm a

1222
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:12,550
geologist go ask a biologist so I'd

1223
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:14,050
asked my biology friends and they'd say

1224
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:15,820
hey don't ask me I deal with cells I

1225
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:16,900
don't know anything about magnetic

1226
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:19,150
fields and that's a perfect example of

1227
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,840
where the compartmentalized science was

1228
00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:24,700
not serving us and now we know that

1229
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:26,920
every cell in our body is influenced by

1230
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:28,510
the shift of the magnetic fields of the

1231
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:32,080
planet high magnetic fields we are more

1232
00:54:36,510 --> 00:54:34,900
cooperative less aggressive and more

1233
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:36,520
peaceful more willing to solve our

1234
00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:38,170
problems working together low magnetic

1235
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,230
fields we become much more aggressive

1236
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:42,400
and that's important when you look at

1237
00:54:47,580 --> 00:54:45,580
the cycles of where Earth is and how the

1238
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:47,590
magnetic fields are part of those cycles

1239
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:49,710
do you think that we've got one minute

1240
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:54,970
is this something that it was suggesting

1241
00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:57,400
the Egyptians is this something that the

1242
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:00,250
ancients were cognizant of that that

1243
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:03,430
they fully understood this relationship

1244
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,880
between us and the planet what I found

1245
00:55:13,290 --> 00:55:09,520
is that those who've come before us the

1246
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:13,300
the ancient Mayans Toltec Olmec the

1247
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:14,050
Egyptians

1248
00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:15,550
I've spent a lot of time with the

1249
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:19,060
Tibetans modern-day Tibetans studying

1250
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:21,130
ancient texts Jimmy they did not

1251
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:24,910
separate science from spirituality from

1252
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:27,730
art and think about that if you don't

1253
00:55:32,310 --> 00:55:30,520
separate those when you see something

1254
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:32,320
that's beautiful that moves you inside

1255
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,910
you have a feeling you're changing the

1256
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:35,680
chemistry in your body based on that

1257
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:36,820
feeling

1258
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:40,240
and that becomes a science and when you

1259
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:42,370
begin to merge science and spirituality

1260
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:44,800
in art you begin to think of your world

1261
00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:46,510
in yourself and your relationship to

1262
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:48,550
other people very differently and I

1263
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:50,710
think with the breakdown in the

1264
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,390
traditional boundaries of the sciences

1265
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:54,640
we're moving in that direction let's

1266
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:56,800
take our break right here this is fade

1267
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:57,250
to black

1268
00:56:00,030 --> 00:55:58,660
I'm your host Jimmy Church our guest

1269
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:00,040
tonight Gregg Braden fascinating

1270
00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:01,990
conversation we're gonna pick up while

1271
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:03,700
we're leaving off right now fade to

1272
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:05,490
black I'm the game changer network and

1273
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:09,130
kg are a the planet stay with us we'll

1274
00:56:51,070 --> 00:56:47,820
[Music]

1275
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:53,420
welcome back fade to black coming to

1276
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:54,930
church I guess tonight gregg braden and

1277
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:57,270
you can follow me on twitter @ JT radio

1278
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,160
the conversations going down

1279
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:01,920
hashtag f2v in the sandbox we're gonna

1280
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,810
go through a few thousand tweets tonight

1281
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:06,240
during the show get Greg involved to add

1282
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:08,690
Gregg Braden right there on Twitter

1283
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Gregg going back to let's circle back

1284
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:13,530
for a second oh by the way I was just

1285
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,290
listening to the commercial for the

1286
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:19,440
conscious life Expo and that ancient

1287
00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:21,810
secrets panel I might have an empty seat

1288
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:23,070
if they're going to be there Friday

1289
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:26,760
night I have to talk to my my office I

1290
00:57:29,810 --> 00:57:28,170
was make a promise they can't keep but I

1291
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:29,820
heard that as well and I thought it was

1292
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:37,710
very intriguing going back to this

1293
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:41,460
crisper situation and the fusing of

1294
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:44,220
chromosome 2 I has always intrigued me

1295
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:48,930
and and 7 as well if we go back 200,000

1296
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:51,930
years what have we you know if it wasn't

1297
00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:57,210
nature that did this some type of high

1298
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,880
technology was involved whether it was a

1299
00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:01,920
past civilization here on the planet

1300
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:04,580
which I could I could totally embrace or

1301
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:10,110
a drive by of some kind of civilization

1302
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:12,300
that came by and saw us and did a

1303
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:13,080
snip-snip

1304
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:17,190
but if it wasn't done by nature we are

1305
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:19,370
opening up the door to some pretty

1306
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:21,750
fantastical theories here of which I'm

1307
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,080
open to any of them but for us to just

1308
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:27,420
appear here or 200,000 years ago that

1309
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:29,010
that doesn't make sense there's got to

1310
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:32,040
be something logical well you know it it

1311
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:33,360
depends on who you talk to because

1312
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:36,690
everybody has a story when you look at

1313
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:38,310
the ancient traditions the ancient

1314
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:41,940
Sumerians they had a story the 1990s I

1315
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:43,500
had the opportunity to tour with

1316
00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:45,630
zecharia sitchin when when he was still

1317
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:48,060
in this world and his work his

1318
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:50,280
interpretation the translations and

1319
00:58:55,610 --> 00:58:53,430
interpretations the Sumerian texts told

1320
00:58:59,840 --> 00:58:55,620
the story that he interpreted as as

1321
00:59:01,610 --> 00:58:59,850
genetic manipulation and that was you

1322
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:01,620
know his perspective when you go to the

1323
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,170
ancient Egyptians they have their story

1324
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:06,480
that we are we're not from here that

1325
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:09,090
we're deeply related to the star system

1326
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:10,380
Sirius

1327
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:12,420
there's a whole story around that you

1328
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:14,310
know you go to the aboriginals and and

1329
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:17,670
you look at their 60,000 plus your

1330
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:22,380
continuous lineage of history and story

1331
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:25,590
and their their DNA lineage and they

1332
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:27,660
their creation story says that we are

1333
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:33,090
the product of of we are related to

1334
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:34,740
other worlds and the we are the product

1335
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,570
of those otherworldly relationships

1336
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:38,760
Hindu traditions say the same thing and

1337
00:59:42,020 --> 00:59:40,650
you know ultimately what I find

1338
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:42,030
interesting Jim even the Christian

1339
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:44,610
traditions I think most of our listeners

1340
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:47,460
know that the the modern Bible is the

1341
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:49,230
product of a series of edits that

1342
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:52,680
happened around the 4th century and we

1343
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,080
know that those edits occurred because

1344
01:00:00,350 --> 00:59:57,780
in the mid 20th century we found the

1345
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:00,360
oldest records of the unedited text we

1346
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:02,610
found the the Dead Sea Scrolls were the

1347
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:04,650
oldest records of the Old Testament in

1348
01:00:10,970 --> 01:00:08,160
the Torah and the the naga hamadi

1349
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:10,980
library in egypt was the oldest records

1350
01:00:15,620 --> 01:00:13,490
of the New Testament and we found

1351
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,630
biblical books that had never been seen

1352
01:00:20,590 --> 01:00:17,460
because they were edited in that fourth

1353
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,600
century panel the the Council of Nicaea

1354
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:23,040
you know during the time of the emperor

1355
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:24,660
constantine i talked about that some of

1356
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:28,140
my books when you look at those and when

1357
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:29,640
you look at the indigenous traditions

1358
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:32,010
all of them say that we are the product

1359
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:34,710
of an intervention and what's

1360
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:37,410
interesting is they all say that they

1361
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,830
are responsible for us being here they

1362
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,440
it's always multiple beings whether it's

1363
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:45,420
a low hem in the Christian traditions

1364
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:48,420
which is a plural or in the Mayan

1365
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:51,210
traditions whether it's the the multiple

1366
01:00:56,330 --> 01:00:54,150
beings that that went through multiple

1367
01:00:59,180 --> 01:00:56,340
iterations and tried different materials

1368
01:01:02,090 --> 01:00:59,190
to create us that the first the first

1369
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:02,100
humans were not able to sustain the

1370
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:03,810
power of the soul and in the physical

1371
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:06,020
body they had to find the right formula

1372
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:08,370
and they tried different materials I

1373
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,410
mean these are common themes that you

1374
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:12,420
see run through these ancient traditions

1375
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:15,930
is it science absolutely not but when

1376
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,299
you find a common theme

1377
01:01:23,779 --> 01:01:21,359
that runs across so many traditions

1378
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:23,789
covering so such vast periods of time

1379
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:26,520
it's kind of like the flood story you

1380
01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:28,740
know every every ancient tradition

1381
01:01:33,609 --> 01:01:30,750
shared the flood story from their unique

1382
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,619
perspective so they all vary from

1383
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:35,880
community to community but the bottom

1384
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:37,619
line was they all experienced the flood

1385
01:01:41,059 --> 01:01:39,240
and as a geologist I can tell you the

1386
01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:41,069
flood actually happened we we have the

1387
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:45,150
geologic evidence of that flood so so

1388
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,250
the idea of an intervention I'm the

1389
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:48,960
first to Sage and I've got my personal

1390
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,160
feelings about what has happened but as

1391
01:01:57,559 --> 01:01:55,440
a scientist I have to say I don't know

1392
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:57,569
and that's to me that's the whole point

1393
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:00,960
we won't know until we unleash the inlet

1394
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:04,170
and the technology and the passion of

1395
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:06,390
these young people that are dedicating

1396
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,700
their lives now to science to answer the

1397
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,520
questions until we free them to follow

1398
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:13,260
the evidence to where it leads rather

1399
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:17,250
than than forcing them to to preserve

1400
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:21,140
this this story that protects

1401
01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:23,970
corporations protects religion protects

1402
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,430
academics but it's not our story so I

1403
01:02:30,019 --> 01:02:29,039
think we've reached a point in our

1404
01:02:32,539 --> 01:02:30,029
evolution

1405
01:02:34,279 --> 01:02:32,549
we're globalizing a planet eight billion

1406
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:34,289
people learning how to live together and

1407
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:37,710
we were forcing together men and women

1408
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:39,270
and we think differently and were

1409
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:40,950
forcing other religions that think

1410
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:42,599
differently and we're crossing

1411
01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:45,450
traditional borders of oceans and

1412
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:46,950
mountains in ways that we never did

1413
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,099
before were globalized society and we're

1414
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,039
asking ourselves to accommodate this

1415
01:02:58,700 --> 01:02:55,680
globalization through a thinking based

1416
01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:58,710
in separation through Darwin's ideas of

1417
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:01,170
competition and conflict and scarcity

1418
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,059
and and as we is we allow the science to

1419
01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:08,220
reveal these truths and as we embrace

1420
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,470
what the science is telling us the

1421
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:11,940
science is telling us nature's based

1422
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:14,490
upon cooperation not competition that's

1423
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:16,529
important that was a message I shared

1424
01:03:20,299 --> 01:03:18,150
the United Nations with Bruce Lipton

1425
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:20,309
when we spoke there the science is

1426
01:03:25,690 --> 01:03:21,900
telling us we're not the product of an

1427
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:25,700
accident a fluke you know some random

1428
01:03:30,859 --> 01:03:28,410
mutations in biology and that's

1429
01:03:31,610 --> 01:03:30,869
important because the value of life

1430
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:31,620
Jimmy

1431
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:34,830
been cheapened by the thinking that we

1432
01:03:39,490 --> 01:03:37,500
are the product of some accident and and

1433
01:03:42,590 --> 01:03:39,500
that's all it is and when we begin to

1434
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:42,600
understand that there's some intelligent

1435
01:03:48,110 --> 01:03:46,380
intervention that appears to underlie

1436
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:48,120
our existence we begin to think about

1437
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:49,860
ourselves differently and it doesn't

1438
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:51,210
have to be about religion it's just

1439
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:54,630
about the respect for the potential that

1440
01:03:59,570 --> 01:03:58,020
we come to this earth with I'm going to

1441
01:04:03,020 --> 01:03:59,580
share a quick story yeah absolutely

1442
01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:03,030
absolutely over the break you gave me a

1443
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:04,320
few minutes to reflect on the

1444
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:06,900
conversation we had before the break you

1445
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,550
asked me if I thought the technology

1446
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:10,680
happened too quickly you know beginning

1447
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:14,160
in 95 and moving forward and it's it's a

1448
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:15,780
it's a good question it's a big question

1449
01:04:19,790 --> 01:04:18,210
and I hesitated because I knew we were

1450
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:19,800
running up to a break and that's why I

1451
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:22,680
didn't share this story a few years ago

1452
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:25,920
I was hiking in a remote area in the

1453
01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:26,820
Four Corners area

1454
01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:29,100
it's an archaeological site as known as

1455
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:33,060
Chaco Canyon New Mexico and I met a

1456
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:35,040
native man that was hiking there at the

1457
01:04:40,820 --> 01:04:38,370
same time and for a lot of reasons

1458
01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:40,830
rather than passing by one another we

1459
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:43,260
struck up a conversation and he began to

1460
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:45,660
tell me a story and I think his story

1461
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:47,490
has direct relevance on what we're

1462
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:50,430
talking about here he he said Greg a

1463
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,160
long time ago he said the people of the

1464
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:55,380
earth lived very differently than they

1465
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:56,910
do today they were close to the earth

1466
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,490
and they remembered who they were he

1467
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:01,200
said that then something happened and

1468
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:03,840
nobody knows exactly what that something

1469
01:05:08,570 --> 01:05:05,610
was he said but the people of the earth

1470
01:05:10,550 --> 01:05:08,580
began to forget who they are their

1471
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:10,560
relationship to the earth and to the

1472
01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:14,040
cosmos and to themselves and they so

1473
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,980
longed for that connection even though

1474
01:05:19,310 --> 01:05:18,480
they didn't know what it was they felt

1475
01:05:21,350 --> 01:05:19,320
empty inside

1476
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:21,360
he said they so longed for that

1477
01:05:28,070 --> 01:05:23,970
connection that they began to build

1478
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,080
outside of their bodies the machines

1479
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:31,680
that actually mimic the potential the

1480
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,690
capabilities that they have inside of

1481
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:35,760
their bodies and he said we live in that

1482
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:37,980
world today he said we live in the world

1483
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:39,930
we're building the machine to the

1484
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:43,740
devices that reflect what we already do

1485
01:05:46,809 --> 01:05:44,390
in the

1486
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:46,819
cells of our body and he said will

1487
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:50,180
continue to clutter our world with more

1488
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:52,670
and more technology and our lives will

1489
01:05:58,990 --> 01:05:55,670
become more and more cluttered until we

1490
01:06:01,839 --> 01:05:59,000
realize that what we are building is us

1491
01:06:04,089 --> 01:06:01,849
and then we'll let that technology go in

1492
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:04,099
the outer world because we will become

1493
01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:05,960
more sophisticated technologically

1494
01:06:13,870 --> 01:06:11,150
inside is he referencing a form of

1495
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,880
entropy you know that we've gotten I

1496
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:15,440
think I think it could be you know I

1497
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,930
worked during the 80s during the Cold

1498
01:06:21,809 --> 01:06:20,000
War years I worked in the defense

1499
01:06:25,660 --> 01:06:21,819
industry and and the aerospace industry

1500
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:25,670
as a software developer projects - one

1501
01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:27,710
of them was called SDI Star Wars Defense

1502
01:06:32,769 --> 01:06:30,740
Initiative and I've seen tremendously

1503
01:06:35,799 --> 01:06:32,779
sophisticated technology as the reason

1504
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:35,809
I'm sharing this and if sophisticated

1505
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,670
this Jimmy I've never seen anything

1506
01:06:42,759 --> 01:06:40,400
built outside of us that we don't

1507
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,769
already do from within you know every

1508
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:44,720
cell in our body is essentially an

1509
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:46,089
electrical circuit and we've got

1510
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:48,920
capacitors we've got resistors we

1511
01:06:54,670 --> 01:06:51,410
receive photons of light we emit photons

1512
01:06:56,289 --> 01:06:54,680
of light we store information we

1513
01:06:58,329 --> 01:06:56,299
retrieve information we release

1514
01:07:00,670 --> 01:06:58,339
information and the internet that we're

1515
01:07:03,069 --> 01:07:00,680
building reflects the way that we share

1516
01:07:04,539 --> 01:07:03,079
information on a quantum level and the

1517
01:07:06,999 --> 01:07:04,549
computers that we've built and the way

1518
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,009
we store information and computers is

1519
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:08,720
reflecting the way information stored in

1520
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:12,170
ourselves so when I I recognize that and

1521
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:13,910
I think back to what my native friends

1522
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:16,490
said to me and then your question you

1523
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:17,930
asked Greg do you think it happened too

1524
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:21,049
fast I there there's a school of thought

1525
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:25,910
Jimmy that our creations the things that

1526
01:07:33,279 --> 01:07:29,839
we create our music our film our video

1527
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:33,289
our books our sculpture our art are more

1528
01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:35,750
than diversions that the things that we

1529
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,430
create around us our consciousness

1530
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:42,470
informing us of what we need to know

1531
01:07:49,089 --> 01:07:45,710
about ourselves in a certain period of

1532
01:07:51,789 --> 01:07:49,099
time and from that perspective when we

1533
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:51,799
look at this this explosion of

1534
01:07:58,060 --> 01:07:53,960
Technology I can't help but think maybe

1535
01:07:59,650 --> 01:07:58,070
this is us asking ourselves to remember

1536
01:08:03,490 --> 01:07:59,660
who we are and this extraordinary

1537
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:03,500
potential that we have so that we don't

1538
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,230
destroy ourselves in the absence of the

1539
01:08:11,310 --> 01:08:07,520
knowledge that we embrace this

1540
01:08:13,630 --> 01:08:11,320
technology and and learn what it means

1541
01:08:16,450 --> 01:08:13,640
again I said this earlier the better we

1542
01:08:18,610 --> 01:08:16,460
know ourselves the less we fear and when

1543
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:18,620
we're not afraid of the unknown that's

1544
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,210
when we can freely we can freely love we

1545
01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:24,799
can love the planet we can love one

1546
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:30,260
another we have the passion to make the

1547
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:31,670
world a better place rather than

1548
01:08:37,750 --> 01:08:35,480
fighting for survival and and trying to

1549
01:08:40,059 --> 01:08:37,760
have enough because we believe we live

1550
01:08:41,559 --> 01:08:40,069
in this world of scarcity so I think all

1551
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:41,569
this you know it's a big conversation

1552
01:08:47,020 --> 01:08:43,510
and I think it all plays out together

1553
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:47,030
but you know it's interesting if if we

1554
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,810
think about our creations as something

1555
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,120
more than just diversions if we say if

1556
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:54,799
we say ok I bring every movie that's

1557
01:08:58,809 --> 01:08:57,260
made and the music that's out there and

1558
01:09:01,170 --> 01:08:58,819
I'm still a musician and I'm fascinated

1559
01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:01,180
by what's happening with music today and

1560
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:03,950
the art and the music and in the books

1561
01:09:09,579 --> 01:09:07,880
if all of those things are us asking

1562
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,589
ourselves to remember something about

1563
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:12,560
ourselves what would those some things

1564
01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:15,470
be and although all the creations are

1565
01:09:20,230 --> 01:09:18,040
different if you look at the themes you

1566
01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:20,240
movies seem to come out and fiends

1567
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:21,680
remember the matrix the very first

1568
01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:24,670
matrix came out was hugely and

1569
01:09:30,190 --> 01:09:27,799
unexpectedly successful and it was

1570
01:09:32,770 --> 01:09:30,200
telling us that there's a world that we

1571
01:09:34,420 --> 01:09:32,780
can't see but it influences the world

1572
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:34,430
that we can see and that we're a part of

1573
01:09:39,010 --> 01:09:36,950
that world and in movies like Inception

1574
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:39,020
and how our dreams are part of that an

1575
01:09:45,070 --> 01:09:41,900
avatar our relationship to nature there

1576
01:09:46,690 --> 01:09:45,080
were hugely successful movies and and

1577
01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:46,700
they're all telling us that there's

1578
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:49,819
something more to our existence that is

1579
01:09:53,980 --> 01:09:52,040
available to us if if we're open and

1580
01:09:56,590 --> 01:09:53,990
willing to accept what those those some

1581
01:09:58,270 --> 01:09:56,600
things are and I think I think there's a

1582
01:10:00,189 --> 01:09:58,280
beautiful symmetry in everything that's

1583
01:10:01,930 --> 01:10:00,199
playing out right and and

1584
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:01,940
I couldn't agree with you more there's a

1585
01:10:07,419 --> 01:10:04,880
reason why all of that resonated with

1586
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,429
everybody worldwide as quickly as it did

1587
01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:09,260
because we're all seeking these these

1588
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:13,219
answers and I wanted to jump back to the

1589
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:17,570
DNA question in the DNA police if if the

1590
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,860
altering of of chromosomes and merging I

1591
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:24,080
should say above two in the altering of

1592
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,370
seven if that happened that's one thing

1593
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:31,760
and and we are who we are today but

1594
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:33,880
going back and using CRISPR technology

1595
01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:38,570
not to increase our IQ or choose eye

1596
01:10:46,650 --> 01:10:42,980
color right and and you know design our

1597
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:46,660
children but to go back and remove

1598
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:51,110
diseases and cancers and and you know

1599
01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:53,690
muscular dystrophy or or whatever and

1600
01:11:02,500 --> 01:10:58,219
remove those from our DNA sequences is

1601
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:02,510
that okay this is this is where we began

1602
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,670
the last hour yeah I think the

1603
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:06,320
technology is never right wrong good or

1604
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:10,010
bad I just spoke with with a student in

1605
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:11,780
Dubai this morning and we had this

1606
01:11:15,850 --> 01:11:14,120
conversation you know the splitting the

1607
01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:15,860
atom I live in northern New Mexico just

1608
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:18,260
down the road from Los Alamos where with

1609
01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:20,810
you know the Manhattan Project occurred

1610
01:11:25,689 --> 01:11:23,750
and I'm fascinated by this because the

1611
01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:25,699
the technology was developed it could

1612
01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:27,739
have gone so many different ways Jimmy

1613
01:11:31,979 --> 01:11:29,420
but if it was developed during the time

1614
01:11:35,979 --> 01:11:31,989
of war so of course it was applied for a

1615
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:35,989
wartime application I think there are a

1616
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:37,910
lot of good things that can come from

1617
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,920
CRISPR technology and even the chips

1618
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,080
that we were talking about earlier Elon

1619
01:11:47,919 --> 01:11:45,199
Musk chips you know if if you are a

1620
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:47,929
young man or young woman on the

1621
01:11:53,229 --> 01:11:51,199
battlefield in Afghanistan and you are

1622
01:11:55,959 --> 01:11:53,239
in a vehicle it's been hit by an AED and

1623
01:11:57,729 --> 01:11:55,969
you're you are now disabled and all of a

1624
01:12:00,520 --> 01:11:57,739
sudden you have the ability to use your

1625
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:00,530
arms and legs again because of this

1626
01:12:06,430 --> 01:12:03,530
technology what what greater gift could

1627
01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:06,440
there be right and and I have no problem

1628
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:08,350
with I was all to use it recreationally

1629
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:11,449
we're we're kids just say man I want

1630
01:12:14,610 --> 01:12:13,160
that chip and playing my brains you know

1631
01:12:17,649 --> 01:12:14,620
so I can play video

1632
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:17,659
without having to you know wire up to my

1633
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:20,870
computer it sounds like fun at first

1634
01:12:24,970 --> 01:12:22,790
what our young people are not being

1635
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:24,980
taught is that there's something so

1636
01:12:32,590 --> 01:12:29,390
unique so rare and so precious about the

1637
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:32,600
soft technology the technologically

1638
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:35,390
advanced highly sophisticated biology

1639
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:38,360
that is their bodies they're not taught

1640
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:41,330
that and when we begin to replace that

1641
01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:45,679
with machines with chips and we do it on

1642
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:47,870
a large scale basis on a generational

1643
01:12:52,689 --> 01:12:51,290
basis pretty soon if you look again look

1644
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:52,699
at what the science fiction is telling

1645
01:13:01,229 --> 01:12:56,800
us we are we always see these films of

1646
01:13:04,540 --> 01:13:01,239
future races that have lost or given up

1647
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:04,550
some aspect of their humaneness that

1648
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:07,670
they long for again coming back in time

1649
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:09,890
you know in some of the movies or coming

1650
01:13:14,530 --> 01:13:12,770
from another planet they're they're much

1651
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,540
more advanced than we are but they lost

1652
01:13:19,390 --> 01:13:16,640
the ability for emotion for example or

1653
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:19,400
they lost the ability to to conceive a

1654
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:21,890
new life inside of a body it's all done

1655
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:24,650
outside the body so I'm I'm saying I

1656
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:28,460
think we need to know what it is that

1657
01:13:33,610 --> 01:13:30,260
we're giving away before we give away

1658
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,620
our humaneness we need to embrace what

1659
01:13:38,290 --> 01:13:35,360
it fully means to be human

1660
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:38,300
and then we have a choice we're no what

1661
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:39,770
we're giving away if we choose to give

1662
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,310
it away rather than just allowing these

1663
01:13:47,709 --> 01:13:45,280
things to become a part of our lives

1664
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:47,719
without really even knowing what what

1665
01:13:54,250 --> 01:13:49,550
they mean why do we have that type of

1666
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:54,260
amnesia why is it that we absolutely are

1667
01:13:59,860 --> 01:13:57,890
so quick to forget what we have learned

1668
01:14:03,939 --> 01:13:59,870
from the past and we can do it in a

1669
01:14:05,709 --> 01:14:03,949
matter of weeks it seems I think a lot

1670
01:14:08,380 --> 01:14:05,719
of it is it goes back to what we call

1671
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:08,390
our story there is a battle for our

1672
01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:10,130
story there's a battle for our thoughts

1673
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:12,860
it's playing out in in the media I think

1674
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:15,050
we all know that but it goes deeper than

1675
01:14:19,149 --> 01:14:16,340
that there's a battle for our very

1676
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:19,159
humanist and most people don't have the

1677
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:23,090
time to even embrace the fact that this

1678
01:14:25,899 --> 01:14:24,409
battle is playing out they don't have

1679
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:25,909
the time to research it and it's not

1680
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:27,630
being carried in the mainstream

1681
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:30,270
right well you're really seeing this I

1682
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:32,610
gave an example earlier in Japan for

1683
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:34,230
example Japan has always kind of pushed

1684
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,630
the edge with technology and sexuality

1685
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:39,360
and things like that young couples are

1686
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:42,420
opting for AI babies artificially

1687
01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:45,420
intelligent robotic babies in place of

1688
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:47,159
the real babies and they're opting for

1689
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:52,170
digital relationships rather than you

1690
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:56,130
know body to body human relationships as

1691
01:15:00,379 --> 01:14:58,500
a practical matter it's just easier for

1692
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,389
them to do that they have a strong work

1693
01:15:04,129 --> 01:15:02,280
ethic they're very busy they don't have

1694
01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:04,139
time for these things but the

1695
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:07,380
correlations along with them embracing

1696
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:09,060
these technologies they're one of the

1697
01:15:14,030 --> 01:15:10,679
countries where the birth rate the

1698
01:15:16,939 --> 01:15:14,040
sterility rate of men is increasing the

1699
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,949
infertility of women is increasing the

1700
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:19,440
birth rate is declining and they're now

1701
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,510
the mortality rate is greater than the

1702
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,280
birth rate so they're losing population

1703
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:25,560
and now they're all of a sudden they're

1704
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,000
playing catch-up they're saying wow you

1705
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,800
know how did this happen and why didn't

1706
01:15:33,290 --> 01:15:31,440
we why didn't we see this but I think

1707
01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:33,300
it's you know there's there's a human

1708
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:35,159
tenant that says use it or lose it and

1709
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:38,370
if we're not using right this biological

1710
01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:40,650
technology begins to atrophy and once

1711
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:43,260
it's gone it's gone and I think that's

1712
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,850
something that we need to be aware of

1713
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,520
I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying we

1714
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:49,679
need to be aware of what we're giving

1715
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:51,719
away before we give it away yeah they

1716
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:53,580
didn't understand you're absolutely

1717
01:15:58,399 --> 01:15:56,699
right Japan didn't understand I get the

1718
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,409
way that they embrace technology I

1719
01:16:03,970 --> 01:16:01,199
totally understand that but they are now

1720
01:16:06,410 --> 01:16:03,980
looking at the real numbers that a

1721
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:06,420
generation from now they're not going to

1722
01:16:13,939 --> 01:16:10,920
have workers you know well I will talk

1723
01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:13,949
about this at the export and I've got

1724
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,580
the the graphs are very very graphic I

1725
01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:19,440
mean you can't argue with the graphs

1726
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:23,070
when you see the the steep drop in birth

1727
01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:25,350
rate and how it compares the mortality

1728
01:16:29,899 --> 01:16:28,440
rate and how that compares with the rise

1729
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,909
of the technology and the way the

1730
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:32,340
technology is being used I think it's

1731
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:36,060
it's like the canary in the coal mine so

1732
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:38,489
you know these are all examples the

1733
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:41,219
technology it's not good or bad

1734
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:43,650
it's how its applied and we are now how

1735
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:46,140
can we make those decisions until we

1736
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:48,090
know who we are and that's the whole

1737
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,730
point and the whole point science is

1738
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:52,560
trying to tell us they're giving us the

1739
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:54,900
answers we said science tell us who we

1740
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,610
are where do we come from how do we get

1741
01:17:01,280 --> 01:16:58,920
here what is what is our potential do we

1742
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:01,290
have the potential can everybody be a

1743
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:04,530
Jason Bourne for example with instant

1744
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:07,170
Total Recall and super cognition and the

1745
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:09,930
answers is pretty much yes there are

1746
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:12,090
techniques we teach in our programs I'll

1747
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,910
actually do some of the expo and the

1748
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:16,800
intelligence services use the same

1749
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:17,690
techniques

1750
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:22,199
it's about accessing this biology the

1751
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:24,000
the neurons in the heart in the brain

1752
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:26,489
and harmonizing them through what's

1753
01:17:32,209 --> 01:17:29,010
called coherence and being able to apply

1754
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:32,219
that coherence in our lives and in very

1755
01:17:38,209 --> 01:17:34,260
unique ways as well as the longevity

1756
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:38,219
enzymes that that give us the ability to

1757
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:42,300
to not just not just heal our bodies but

1758
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:44,489
to actually reverse the biological

1759
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:46,890
markers of Aging now chronologically

1760
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:48,540
will always be a year older than we were

1761
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,719
a year ago but biologically it is not

1762
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:54,239
only possible it's people do it all the

1763
01:17:59,360 --> 01:17:56,280
time well you're an example of that I

1764
01:18:01,850 --> 01:17:59,370
mean look how you look right now is you

1765
01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:01,860
if most people don't know Greg is

1766
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:03,870
actually a hundred and seventy-eight

1767
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:06,090
years old well you can't see me right

1768
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:07,710
now so you know the first thing I looked

1769
01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:09,270
at for this interview I said is this a

1770
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:11,239
video interview

1771
01:18:17,810 --> 01:18:14,280
hey I wanted to ask you let me tell you

1772
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,820
I apply in my life what I have learned

1773
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:20,400
and I spend a lot of time with monks and

1774
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:22,500
nuns and the monasteries of Tibet in the

1775
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:25,530
90s the early 2000s in general routine

1776
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:27,480
ly we met people there are a hundred and

1777
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:28,890
fifteen hundred twenty twenty-five years

1778
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:32,280
old I saw their papers it's not out of

1779
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:34,050
the ordinary and you would never know

1780
01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:36,570
they looked about half their age their

1781
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:38,100
skin colour was good their eyes are

1782
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:40,110
sharp their memory is sharp right I've

1783
01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:42,030
been with indigenous traditions in South

1784
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:44,100
America they don't have Alzheimer's

1785
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:45,690
because they're older they don't have

1786
01:18:49,939 --> 01:18:47,100
breast cancer they don't have prostate

1787
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:49,949
cancer it's not about the aging our

1788
01:18:55,190 --> 01:18:52,410
bodies are designed to heal and

1789
01:18:57,500 --> 01:18:55,200
regenerate long beyond the set

1790
01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:57,510
100 years that we typically except today

1791
01:19:03,650 --> 01:19:00,300
it's not about the aging it's about how

1792
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,660
we live as we attain those ages now

1793
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:05,760
we're we're gonna head toward well let

1794
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:07,260
me jump in because we're gonna head

1795
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:09,330
towards a break right here and we'll

1796
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:11,010
pick up or we're leaving off but I have

1797
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:13,410
this question for you

1798
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:17,640
I need your quick response strat Les

1799
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:22,770
Paul or Martin black strap Jimi Hendrix

1800
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:24,650
signature model with a reverse headstock

1801
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,820
okay I'm gonna hold this up to the

1802
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:28,560
camera right here there's the question

1803
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:34,530
and I circled strat Greg and I Before we

1804
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:38,100
jump into I have one two three four five

1805
01:19:44,810 --> 01:19:41,570
six seven eight nine ten

1806
01:19:47,690 --> 01:19:44,820
stratocasters hanging next to me on the

1807
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:47,700
wall here we when we finish this program

1808
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:49,470
I'm gonna hear the strat in my in my

1809
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:51,480
home studio tonight that's my that's my

1810
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,850
next my next gig before I go to bed

1811
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:55,440
tonight so are you and I love the way

1812
01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:56,940
you think that's what I'm talking about

1813
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,340
Greg right we are taking our break right

1814
01:20:03,530 --> 01:20:01,620
here this is fade to black somebody just

1815
01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:03,540
posted up Jimmy's gonna get guitar in

1816
01:20:09,620 --> 01:20:06,270
somehow on this show he's a professional

1817
01:20:11,450 --> 01:20:09,630
Greg we'll be right back this is fade to

1818
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,460
black on the game changer network and

1819
01:20:26,819 --> 01:20:14,320
kgr a the planet stay with us

1820
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,219
welcome back fade to black

1821
01:20:35,979 --> 01:20:31,760
gregg braden our guest tonight an

1822
01:20:37,959 --> 01:20:35,989
amazing conversation very happy with

1823
01:20:41,109 --> 01:20:37,969
this conversation tonight we've got some

1824
01:20:43,029 --> 01:20:41,119
guitars in and Gregg check and check out

1825
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:43,039
your Twitter feed I posted a picture for

1826
01:20:49,089 --> 01:20:47,090
you I just want to ask does this night

1827
01:20:52,419 --> 01:20:49,099
seem like it's going as fast for you

1828
01:20:53,979 --> 01:20:52,429
this blazed by and and I can't believe

1829
01:20:58,929 --> 01:20:53,989
it I can't believe it

1830
01:21:02,919 --> 01:20:58,939
and going back to where we left off

1831
01:21:05,799 --> 01:21:02,929
which is this with technology which I

1832
01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:05,809
embrace right I've got GPS in all of my

1833
01:21:10,839 --> 01:21:08,300
cars and I've got the self I sit in a

1834
01:21:13,389 --> 01:21:10,849
beautiful studio full of technology and

1835
01:21:15,099 --> 01:21:13,399
and I get that I understand it you and I

1836
01:21:20,349 --> 01:21:15,109
are talking right now because of

1837
01:21:24,989 --> 01:21:20,359
Technology but with things like GPS or

1838
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:24,999
phone books and in a contact list are we

1839
01:21:29,770 --> 01:21:28,070
losing the ability to remember things

1840
01:21:33,459 --> 01:21:29,780
you know like phone numbers or

1841
01:21:36,609 --> 01:21:33,469
directions does it force our brains into

1842
01:21:38,379 --> 01:21:36,619
becoming complacent and lazy I think

1843
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:38,389
it's how we how we'll use them you know

1844
01:21:43,919 --> 01:21:39,800
I I just ranted this this afternoon

1845
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:43,929
somebody my office manager was asking me

1846
01:21:50,259 --> 01:21:47,090
some questions there we go revolved

1847
01:21:52,569 --> 01:21:50,269
around numbers and it's easy to you know

1848
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:52,579
pull out a calculator and putting to

1849
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:53,449
punch some buttons

1850
01:21:58,419 --> 01:21:56,449
I personally make it a discipline to

1851
01:22:02,139 --> 01:21:58,429
pull out a piece of paper and and do the

1852
01:22:03,509 --> 01:22:02,149
math so that's just a personal personal

1853
01:22:05,979 --> 01:22:03,519
thing for me but what I know

1854
01:22:07,959 --> 01:22:05,989
understanding what I know about neurons

1855
01:22:09,879 --> 01:22:07,969
and the way neurons work in the heart as

1856
01:22:11,349 --> 01:22:09,889
well as the brain and I know your

1857
01:22:15,369 --> 01:22:11,359
listeners have heard this actually on

1858
01:22:18,909 --> 01:22:15,379
before is neurons that that fire

1859
01:22:23,109 --> 01:22:18,919
together wire together so when we begin

1860
01:22:25,869 --> 01:22:23,119
to to not use those connections they do

1861
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:25,879
begin to atrophy the chemicals that hold

1862
01:22:29,169 --> 01:22:27,289
those connections in place begin to

1863
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:29,179
atrophy because because we no longer use

1864
01:22:35,919 --> 01:22:32,510
them so I embrace technology as well I

1865
01:22:39,730 --> 01:22:35,929
think it makes no sense for us to fight

1866
01:22:43,180 --> 01:22:39,740
the technology we are like children

1867
01:22:45,670 --> 01:22:43,190
in a civilization where the technology

1868
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:45,680
was open the doors we've unlocked the

1869
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:48,650
secrets to the some of the greatest

1870
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:51,290
mysteries of creation in nature and

1871
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:54,020
we've done it Jimmy without answering

1872
01:22:59,020 --> 01:22:57,110
the most significant question about

1873
01:23:01,060 --> 01:22:59,030
ourselves so you mean think about what

1874
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:01,070
we've done you know we've we split the

1875
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:04,310
atom we understand how to edit and and

1876
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:08,450
you know DNA we've put put people on the

1877
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:11,030
moon we're now bouncing signals off the

1878
01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:14,630
edge of the universe on the one hand and

1879
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:17,300
the other hand Jimmy we scientifically

1880
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:19,880
may be not spiritually it's

1881
01:23:23,230 --> 01:23:22,010
scientifically we have yet to answer the

1882
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:23,240
most fundamental question of our

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01:23:29,950 --> 01:23:26,750
existence who are we and until we answer

1884
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:29,960
that question who are we what do we use

1885
01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:34,570
as the yardstick by which we measure our

1886
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:37,790
technology and we measure our worth in

1887
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:40,180
terms of how the technology is applied

1888
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:43,130
one of the you know this is one of the

1889
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:45,710
few programs that I can have this

1890
01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:48,230
conversation with you and with our our

1891
01:23:52,030 --> 01:23:50,660
listeners are hundreds of thousands of

1892
01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:52,040
listeners who are now in your living

1893
01:23:57,970 --> 01:23:54,280
room all around your couch right right

1894
01:24:00,610 --> 01:23:57,980
if you have a lot of friends in the in

1895
01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:00,620
the UFO movement phenomenon movement

1896
01:24:07,210 --> 01:24:02,840
who've become very specialized in the

1897
01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:07,220
abductee phenomenon and I know you have

1898
01:24:12,150 --> 01:24:08,540
a lot of guests to talk about that as

1899
01:24:14,430 --> 01:24:12,160
well and one of the these are

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01:24:16,990 --> 01:24:14,440
professionals these are professional

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01:24:21,190 --> 01:24:17,000
therapists professional psych psych

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01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:21,200
psych ologist psychiatrists as well as

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01:24:25,090 --> 01:24:22,040
biologists

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:25,100
who are helping people to come to terms

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01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:28,130
with the experience that they've had in

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01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:30,530
what it means to them and to help them

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01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:32,510
do that they interview these people and

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01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:34,970
they have found common themes across the

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01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,490
interviews and they've shared some of

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01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:39,800
those themes with me I don't talk about

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01:24:44,590 --> 01:24:41,810
a lot typically from a public stage

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01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:44,600
because it typically doesn't tie into

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01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:46,490
you know whatever I've been invited to

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01:24:52,660 --> 01:24:49,310
speak about but it is a phenomenon one

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:52,670
of the common themes Jimmy that comes up

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01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:53,330
in the abduch

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01:25:03,210 --> 01:24:57,920
and phenomenon is that the the beings

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01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:03,220
who have abducted these people when they

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01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:06,380
embark upon a conversation whether it's

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01:25:11,470 --> 01:25:08,570
telepathic a lot of times it is

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01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:11,480
telepathic or whether it's a verbal

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01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:15,050
conversation what they convey to the

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01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:17,000
abductees is just what we're talking

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01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,400
about tonight that they are the product

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01:25:24,820 --> 01:25:21,440
of an advanced technologically advanced

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01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:24,830
civilization who made a choice at some

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01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:29,300
point in their past to adopt technology

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01:25:34,330 --> 01:25:31,910
before they understood what it was that

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01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:34,340
they were giving away and that they lost

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01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:37,670
so much of their uniqueness to the

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01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:40,850
machines they longed to have that back

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01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:43,010
and they're interested in the abductees

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01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:45,380
for that reason they're interested in

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01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:46,940
the DNA they're interested in the

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:49,430
neurons and in the way for these

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01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:51,610
particular people for whatever reason

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01:25:57,550 --> 01:25:54,800
the way that they have these people use

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01:26:00,250 --> 01:25:57,560
their biology in their lives maybe they

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01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:00,260
are you know compassionate healthcare

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01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:03,320
workers or maybe they are hospice you

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01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:05,750
know workers or whatever it is so I

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01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:08,990
think that it's interesting that

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01:26:16,780 --> 01:26:13,310
although each case is unique the among

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01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:16,790
the common themes is the theme of an

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01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:19,370
advanced technologically advanced

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01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:23,090
society that has moved forward with

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01:26:29,260 --> 01:26:26,360
their technology in a way that has led

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01:26:30,820 --> 01:26:29,270
them from the depths of their uniqueness

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01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:30,830
and they want that back

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01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:33,650
so I think there's something that we can

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01:26:39,850 --> 01:26:34,510
learn from that

1952
01:26:43,930 --> 01:26:39,860
is there another aspect to all of this

1953
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:43,940
when we're looking at the changes here

1954
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:47,360
do we have to as a planet as a

1955
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:50,570
civilization do we have to go to the

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01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:53,480
edge do we have to go and stare into the

1957
01:26:59,260 --> 01:26:55,850
darkness and get the crap scared out of

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01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,270
us to to realize that we're heading in

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01:27:04,930 --> 01:27:01,760
the wrong direction and that there is

1960
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:04,940
another way about this is that what we

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01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,150
have to do

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01:27:10,939 --> 01:27:08,639
you know this is a really I I have this

1963
01:27:13,820 --> 01:27:10,949
conversation frequently with with my

1964
01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:13,830
biology friends and with my philosophy

1965
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:16,380
friends and there's there's a very

1966
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:20,280
interesting a very interesting thing

1967
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,300
about us humans in that we seem to to

1968
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:26,880
experience what we don't want before we

1969
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:29,280
know we don't want it right and that's

1970
01:27:37,609 --> 01:27:34,650
very different from setting a course to

1971
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:37,619
a vision of what we do want and working

1972
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:40,710
toward that vision so we had to have not

1973
01:27:44,689 --> 01:27:43,020
one but but two great Holocaust on the

1974
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:44,699
planet and and we say we're not going to

1975
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,900
do that we had to have a couple of world

1976
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:47,340
wars and we say we don't want that

1977
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:49,500
anymore well we could have said let's

1978
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:51,570
just live in a planet apiece but we

1979
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:55,320
didn't do that so my experience and this

1980
01:28:02,089 --> 01:27:58,250
goes back to a conversation that we just

1981
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:02,099
barely scratched the surface of two

1982
01:28:08,330 --> 01:28:04,050
breaks ago it was in the the second

1983
01:28:11,780 --> 01:28:08,340
second segment what the archeology

1984
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:11,790
clearly shows you know one of the

1985
01:28:17,180 --> 01:28:13,770
benefits that's coming from global

1986
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:17,190
warming is it is melting ice in places

1987
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:21,659
that have that have seen only ice in you

1988
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:25,080
know in recent memory and when that ice

1989
01:28:30,649 --> 01:28:28,170
melts it begins to expose archaeological

1990
01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:30,659
sites and and the earth penetrating

1991
01:28:36,140 --> 01:28:33,630
radar is exposing archaeological sites

1992
01:28:39,589 --> 01:28:36,150
and we're beginning to have a very

1993
01:28:41,870 --> 01:28:39,599
different picture of human civilization

1994
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,880
so when I was in school again back in

1995
01:28:46,939 --> 01:28:44,159
the 50s 60s or early 70s I was taught

1996
01:28:48,919 --> 01:28:46,949
and many of your listeners were taught

1997
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:48,929
the same thing and and their children

1998
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:51,449
today in grandchildren are still being

1999
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:53,250
taught that civilization began about

2000
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:55,860
5000 years ago right around the time of

2001
01:29:00,770 --> 01:28:58,920
ancient Sumeria and then Egypt came

2002
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:00,780
along and then the things like you know

2003
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,090
Rome and Greece and the Incan

2004
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:04,800
civilization and Mayans that you know

2005
01:29:09,310 --> 01:29:07,920
those all came along later and we were

2006
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:09,320
taught that's the history of the world

2007
01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:12,900
so that that civilization began about

2008
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:15,300
5,000 maybe 5,500 years before a

2009
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:18,900
president BP before present now what the

2010
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:20,310
archeologist

2011
01:29:26,090 --> 01:29:24,330
is there are archaeological sites I take

2012
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:26,100
groups into a place of northern Peru

2013
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:30,260
that is called chorale CA RAL chorale

2014
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:34,020
collapsed when we're told that that

2015
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:36,900
civilization began it collapsed about

2016
01:29:41,210 --> 01:29:38,940
fifty five hundred years ago it was the

2017
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:41,220
most technologically advanced

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01:29:45,650 --> 01:29:43,730
civilization and is the oldest

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:45,660
technologically advanced civilization in

2020
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:47,370
all of the Americas that's older than

2021
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:49,410
the Inca than the old Olmec than the

2022
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:52,410
Toltec the new Maya then the Aztec the

2023
01:29:56,180 --> 01:29:53,910
history books are having to be rewritten

2024
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:56,190
now to accommodate this discovery of

2025
01:30:00,920 --> 01:29:58,380
coral and then you go back from there

2026
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:00,930
you know you talk about gobekli tepe and

2027
01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:04,890
one of the great mysteries and we've got

2028
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:06,920
the new information as a geologist

2029
01:30:11,150 --> 01:30:09,510
looking at the Giza Plateau you know we

2030
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:11,160
know this is what's called floovio

2031
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,650
erosion on the Sphinx and on the

2032
01:30:17,660 --> 01:30:15,420
pyramids fast moving water over long

2033
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,670
periods of time that hasn't happened

2034
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:20,400
since the ice melted during the Ice Age

2035
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,290
and that was right around 10,000 years

2036
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:24,480
ago and we're looking at places like the

2037
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:27,840
Gulf of Khambhat in India a city three

2038
01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:29,850
miles long five miles wide under a

2039
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,270
hundred and twenty five feet of water we

2040
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:35,520
either have to say that the city was

2041
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:37,620
built underwater which doesn't doesn't

2042
01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:38,940
make a lot of sense probably is not

2043
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,910
likely or that it was submerged after it

2044
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,440
was built and that didn't happen until

2045
01:30:48,850 --> 01:30:45,360
after when the ice melted and the sea

2046
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,860
levels rose and we're looking at cities

2047
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:51,120
that are being discovered that were

2048
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:54,390
thought to be fairytales Gulf of

2049
01:31:02,000 --> 01:30:56,520
Khambhat is one it's in the Mahabharata

2050
01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:02,010
and the evidence of of atomic war in you

2051
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:05,720
know in places that were finding glazed

2052
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:09,120
sand across the desert and radioactive

2053
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:11,250
skeletons and huge craters it can only

2054
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:13,890
be seen from the sky and they correlate

2055
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,100
with what the Hindu traditions tell us

2056
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,800
was a great battle that happened that

2057
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:21,120
has always been believes to be

2058
01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:23,010
make-believe a fairy tale so when you

2059
01:31:27,950 --> 01:31:24,900
put all these together now we're looking

2060
01:31:30,980 --> 01:31:27,960
at technologically advanced societies

2061
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:30,990
twice as old is what we were taught

2062
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:32,820
they've gone back over ten thousand

2063
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:33,450
years and go back

2064
01:31:40,670 --> 01:31:38,040
happy now is over 13,000 years and and

2065
01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:40,680
now that we're looking beyond earth

2066
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:42,450
we're looking at the archeology on the

2067
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,090
lunar surface and beyond those sites are

2068
01:31:48,710 --> 01:31:47,400
now being dated around fifty thousand

2069
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:48,720
years before present

2070
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:52,050
so rather than this linear model it

2071
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:55,530
appears that civilization is cyclic that

2072
01:32:01,850 --> 01:31:58,880
we reach a certain level of complexity

2073
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:01,860
this is unsustainable and that

2074
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:05,010
civilization collapses possibly due to

2075
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:08,280
war and begins again we have to ask

2076
01:32:14,570 --> 01:32:11,310
ourselves are we following that pattern

2077
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:14,580
are reliving that cycle right now and if

2078
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:18,150
we are do we have the wisdom to choose

2079
01:32:23,690 --> 01:32:21,330
wisely so that we don't fall into the

2080
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:23,700
same path as those civilizations that

2081
01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:25,170
have failed in the past and I I

2082
01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:27,540
personally believe that we this

2083
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:29,070
generation we're answering that question

2084
01:32:31,940 --> 01:32:29,810
right now

2085
01:32:33,740 --> 01:32:31,950
well I may not know that we're answering

2086
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,750
it but we're answering it in technology

2087
01:32:40,030 --> 01:32:36,000
is a big part of it and you know and

2088
01:32:42,110 --> 01:32:40,040
this is what I find interesting because

2089
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:42,120
anthropologists and archaeologists even

2090
01:32:48,860 --> 01:32:44,820
geologists had all said the same thing

2091
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:48,870
when John Anthony West and and Robert

2092
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:51,090
Schoch you know did the documentary and

2093
01:32:59,240 --> 01:32:55,290
and and they said look just give us some

2094
01:33:02,180 --> 01:32:59,250
evidence of something before 3,000 BC

2095
01:33:04,940 --> 01:33:02,190
and we have a conversation here but

2096
01:33:07,940 --> 01:33:04,950
until then we're right and you're wrong

2097
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:07,950
since then you know you have called

2098
01:33:14,150 --> 01:33:12,060
you have the caves outside of tel aviv

2099
01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:14,160
you have gobekli tepe

2100
01:33:20,930 --> 01:33:17,430
and other sites around the planet that

2101
01:33:23,330 --> 01:33:20,940
clearly suggests the opposite of what

2102
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:23,340
we've been taught but they still choose

2103
01:33:29,630 --> 01:33:26,330
to ignore it when is that stranglehold

2104
01:33:31,790 --> 01:33:29,640
gonna end well we mentioned in the last

2105
01:33:33,410 --> 01:33:31,800
hour there's a battle unfolding in our

2106
01:33:35,390 --> 01:33:33,420
lives to maintain what's called the

2107
01:33:38,180 --> 01:33:35,400
standard model right and that's that

2108
01:33:40,820 --> 01:33:38,190
standard model begins with the beginning

2109
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:40,830
with the origins of the cosmos the Big

2110
01:33:46,370 --> 01:33:43,500
Bang Theory when and how that happened

2111
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:46,380
it begins with human origins who are

2112
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:46,920
reword

2113
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:49,170
we come from are we the product of

2114
01:33:54,350 --> 01:33:51,420
random mutations an accident and a fluke

2115
01:33:56,540 --> 01:33:54,360
of biology or is there some some sort of

2116
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:56,550
intervention and some level of

2117
01:34:02,209 --> 01:33:58,500
intentionality sure you're lying our

2118
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,219
existence and civilization does it go

2119
01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:04,320
back further than we've been led to

2120
01:34:08,150 --> 01:34:06,390
believe you know one of the really

2121
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:08,160
interesting happened things that has

2122
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:11,820
happened and I was during the Cold War

2123
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:14,310
years I didn't work in the aerospace

2124
01:34:18,169 --> 01:34:16,290
industry and then because it was wartime

2125
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,179
I was drafted in the defense industry

2126
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:20,960
that's where they needed the the

2127
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:24,480
expertise and it was a really bizarre

2128
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:27,360
time it was such a weird time Jimi when

2129
01:34:33,050 --> 01:34:29,400
the two former superpowers were poised

2130
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:33,060
you know to do the unthinkable and and I

2131
01:34:38,510 --> 01:34:36,510
remember it was emotionally going into

2132
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:38,520
the the secret vaults where we worked

2133
01:34:43,970 --> 01:34:41,310
every day and creating the software and

2134
01:34:48,830 --> 01:34:43,980
and working with Star Wars and things

2135
01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:48,840
like that my player was that somehow we

2136
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:53,219
were all working so that the horror of

2137
01:34:57,620 --> 01:34:55,560
wars that we had seen in the past would

2138
01:35:01,610 --> 01:34:57,630
never happen again and that the

2139
01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:01,620
technology would give us a way to work

2140
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:03,900
together so that we would never see

2141
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:06,239
those wars again well it was it was

2142
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,360
during that time that the former Soviet

2143
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:11,940
Union and well the former America

2144
01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:13,199
because it was a different country then

2145
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:15,420
they had the agreements that they would

2146
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:18,960
never share what was found when those

2147
01:35:22,130 --> 01:35:20,699
countries went onto the lunar surface

2148
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:22,140
they were the only two countries that

2149
01:35:27,770 --> 01:35:24,210
had the money in the technology to to go

2150
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:27,780
to the lunar surface and they've honored

2151
01:35:33,140 --> 01:35:31,380
that agreement and we now have those two

2152
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:33,150
countries or two Broke America is

2153
01:35:37,610 --> 01:35:34,800
they're not going anytime soon

2154
01:35:39,650 --> 01:35:37,620
Russia's not go anytime soon but there

2155
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:39,660
are countries that are that are not part

2156
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:41,730
of that agreement China for example and

2157
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:44,489
China has said that when they land on

2158
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:47,610
the lunar surface they are going to beam

2159
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,890
back to the earth live whatever it is

2160
01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:51,600
they find there they were not part of

2161
01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:55,320
that original agreement my sense and I

2162
01:35:59,150 --> 01:35:56,760
know you've had guests on they've talked

2163
01:35:59,729 --> 01:35:59,160
about this and you know George has and

2164
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:59,739
you know for

2165
01:36:03,899 --> 01:36:02,320
years mm-hmm my sense is when we see

2166
01:36:06,779 --> 01:36:03,909
those archeological remnants you know

2167
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:06,789
we're looking for microbes as signs of

2168
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:10,420
life on the lunar surface right next to

2169
01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:14,530
two archeological remnants that are now

2170
01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:16,420
estimated be fifty thousand years old

2171
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:20,920
and when we find those remnants people

2172
01:36:25,859 --> 01:36:22,719
are going to automatically think oh you

2173
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:25,869
know it must be ETS UFOs which are very

2174
01:36:33,209 --> 01:36:29,679
possible I think it's very possible they

2175
01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:33,219
could be however based on what I now

2176
01:36:38,279 --> 01:36:36,280
understand about cycles of human

2177
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:38,289
consciousness and civilization in

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01:36:43,259 --> 01:36:41,110
history I think we're going to find that

2179
01:36:46,049 --> 01:36:43,269
those are not remnants from an alien

2180
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,059
civilization I think they're us from

2181
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:48,639
another time in our history when we

2182
01:36:53,729 --> 01:36:50,289
achieve great and beautiful things

2183
01:36:56,430 --> 01:36:53,739
because we worked together before we

2184
01:37:00,239 --> 01:36:56,440
went to war and if we did that in the

2185
01:37:01,830 --> 01:37:00,249
past just as our world is coming so

2186
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:01,840
close you know there's a push for war

2187
01:37:06,739 --> 01:37:04,239
you can feel it there is an element that

2188
01:37:08,939 --> 01:37:06,749
wants war and there's a lot of our

2189
01:37:11,939 --> 01:37:08,949
global community that doesn't want the

2190
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:11,949
war happening right now can you imagine

2191
01:37:18,089 --> 01:37:16,150
what would happen if we beam back from

2192
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:18,099
the lunar surface evidence of something

2193
01:37:24,419 --> 01:37:21,010
that we created it's sometime in our

2194
01:37:26,759 --> 01:37:24,429
past and we said if we were able to do

2195
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,769
this together ten thousand years ago

2196
01:37:31,620 --> 01:37:28,960
what could we accomplish if we work

2197
01:37:34,529 --> 01:37:31,630
together now and it has the potential I

2198
01:37:36,419 --> 01:37:34,539
believe to be the most unifying right

2199
01:37:39,689 --> 01:37:36,429
experience for the people on the earth

2200
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:39,699
just at the time Jimmy when our world is

2201
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:42,249
becoming so polarized something that

2202
01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:43,510
could bring us together in such a

2203
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:46,360
powerful way something to give us hope

2204
01:37:55,169 --> 01:37:51,449
something does evident right right I

2205
01:37:59,609 --> 01:37:55,179
couldn't agree with you more and one of

2206
01:38:01,649 --> 01:37:59,619
the the plays on this is that you know

2207
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:01,659
are we alone in the universe right and

2208
01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:04,329
answering that question well okay that's

2209
01:38:09,390 --> 01:38:06,579
fundamental and we've been to you know

2210
01:38:11,890 --> 01:38:09,400
contemplating that you know for for

2211
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:11,900
millennia but

2212
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:16,570
if we find out that there is a reason to

2213
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:20,570
clean up this planet to live to exist

2214
01:38:28,330 --> 01:38:25,520
because we have a reason to make friends

2215
01:38:32,260 --> 01:38:28,340
out there in the universe it would be

2216
01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:32,270
the opposite of if we found if they

2217
01:38:37,450 --> 01:38:35,000
wanted to project on us Greg that we are

2218
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:37,460
alone in the universe then you know what

2219
01:38:42,340 --> 01:38:39,350
that does of this planet it's like let's

2220
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,350
burn this sucker down there there's no

2221
01:38:47,290 --> 01:38:45,199
way we bring every human for themselves

2222
01:38:49,419 --> 01:38:47,300
maybe country for itself that's survival

2223
01:38:51,939 --> 01:38:49,429
with the strongest that's right that's

2224
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:51,949
right and this is where and this is

2225
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:54,560
exactly the precisely the point where

2226
01:39:00,340 --> 01:38:57,530
best science of the 21st century is now

2227
01:39:03,130 --> 01:39:00,350
overturned that fundamental tenant in

2228
01:39:06,030 --> 01:39:03,140
peer-reviewed journals are now telling

2229
01:39:08,530 --> 01:39:06,040
us nature's fundamental rule is not

2230
01:39:10,689 --> 01:39:08,540
competition it's not survival of the

2231
01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:10,699
strongest by the way those were Darwin's

2232
01:39:15,459 --> 01:39:12,860
actual words I researched them in his

2233
01:39:17,770 --> 01:39:15,469
manuscript he called it survival of the

2234
01:39:20,050 --> 01:39:17,780
strongest later is interpreted as

2235
01:39:22,270 --> 01:39:20,060
survival of the fittest his words were

2236
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:22,280
survival of the strongest and what we

2237
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:24,290
now know is that nature's fundamental

2238
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:27,250
rule is cooperation and the more

2239
01:39:31,660 --> 01:39:30,170
conflict in the more competition that

2240
01:39:34,030 --> 01:39:31,670
you see I mean I'm not denying that's

2241
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,040
there obviously it's there but the more

2242
01:39:38,530 --> 01:39:36,080
of that conflict we see that tells us

2243
01:39:41,979 --> 01:39:38,540
how far we've strayed from this

2244
01:39:43,689 --> 01:39:41,989
fundamental truth of of the way nature

2245
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:43,699
operates and that was part of the

2246
01:39:47,979 --> 01:39:46,310
message bruce lipton and i were invited

2247
01:39:51,310 --> 01:39:47,989
to speak at the United Nations a couple

2248
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:51,320
of years ago as a team me as a an earth

2249
01:39:55,930 --> 01:39:53,840
scientist and he is a life scientist and

2250
01:39:58,570 --> 01:39:55,940
this was part of the message that we

2251
01:40:01,419 --> 01:39:58,580
shared is that nature is based on this

2252
01:40:04,959 --> 01:40:01,429
fundamental rule of cooperation do we

2253
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:04,969
think that we're so different from the

2254
01:40:09,580 --> 01:40:07,190
natural rules and the natural laws and

2255
01:40:11,649 --> 01:40:09,590
rhythms of this planet that we don't

2256
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:11,659
need to follow that and if we're serious

2257
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:13,760
about solving the problems and that that

2258
01:40:19,390 --> 01:40:15,770
is supposedly what the United Nations is

2259
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:19,400
all about then it behooves us to follow

2260
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:20,840
this this fundamental rule of

2261
01:40:25,630 --> 01:40:23,810
cooperation rather than then conflict

2262
01:40:27,250 --> 01:40:25,640
and competition so

2263
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:27,260
this is where it all comes back to where

2264
01:40:31,420 --> 01:40:29,090
we began this conversation Jimmy the

2265
01:40:33,310 --> 01:40:31,430
better we know ourselves the better

2266
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:33,320
equipped we are to deal with whatever

2267
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:35,690
Life brings to our doorstep and the last

2268
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:39,530
we fear the unknown we we are what are

2269
01:40:44,830 --> 01:40:41,450
called self referencing beings so we

2270
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:44,840
tend to hinge our sense of well-being on

2271
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:46,250
what's happened in the world out there

2272
01:40:49,630 --> 01:40:48,290
so you know you come home from work and

2273
01:40:50,980 --> 01:40:49,640
you know you see a bunch of impeachment

2274
01:40:52,540 --> 01:40:50,990
hearings and the government looks like

2275
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:52,550
it's dysfunctional and the markets are

2276
01:40:56,500 --> 01:40:54,890
crazy and you know war is breaking out

2277
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:56,510
all over and and you try to have dinner

2278
01:41:01,150 --> 01:40:59,360
with your family and you know it can be

2279
01:41:04,450 --> 01:41:01,160
a pretty rocky road and you come home

2280
01:41:07,660 --> 01:41:04,460
and you know all the things are just the

2281
01:41:11,710 --> 01:41:07,670
opposite and it influences the way that

2282
01:41:15,490 --> 01:41:11,720
we feel about ourselves because we hinge

2283
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:15,500
our sense of well-being on the external

2284
01:41:20,980 --> 01:41:18,290
world as we embrace these new

2285
01:41:22,210 --> 01:41:20,990
discoveries what we find out is it

2286
01:41:23,950 --> 01:41:22,220
doesn't change what happened in the

2287
01:41:26,380 --> 01:41:23,960
world necessarily but it changes the way

2288
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:26,390
we feel about what happens in the world

2289
01:41:32,650 --> 01:41:28,850
and when we begin to write the new human

2290
01:41:35,530 --> 01:41:32,660
story that is where we open the doors to

2291
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:35,540
new ways of thinking and new ways of

2292
01:41:41,140 --> 01:41:37,610
working together in cooperation there's

2293
01:41:44,980 --> 01:41:41,150
a big part of that so I think it is

2294
01:41:46,150 --> 01:41:44,990
worth our time and worth the energy that

2295
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:46,160
it takes to answer this fundamental

2296
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:48,800
question who are we because it's going

2297
01:41:52,900 --> 01:41:50,750
to change the kind of energy that drives

2298
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:52,910
this planet it brings you know

2299
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:54,410
electricity to our homes it's going to

2300
01:41:58,180 --> 01:41:56,570
change the way we grow our food good to

2301
01:42:00,190 --> 01:41:58,190
change the way we heal our bodies and

2302
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:00,200
ultimately it's going to change the way

2303
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,000
before we wrap up I want your thought on

2304
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:12,320
this really quick and you're more than

2305
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:15,770
welcome to hang out for some overtime if

2306
01:42:22,030 --> 01:42:17,050
you want to continue the conversation

2307
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:22,040
but it's this why is it that it's it's

2308
01:42:33,370 --> 01:42:26,210
so hard to do the right thing right it's

2309
01:42:36,460 --> 01:42:33,380
it's easier to be bad well the question

2310
01:42:39,339 --> 01:42:36,470
is it's the environment that we find

2311
01:42:41,589 --> 01:42:39,349
ourselves in we

2312
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:41,599
have been everything that's that's

2313
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:44,510
happening in the world is only happening

2314
01:42:50,859 --> 01:42:47,090
because of the way we've been taught to

2315
01:42:53,349 --> 01:42:50,869
think so all the atrocities you know of

2316
01:42:56,949 --> 01:42:53,359
the wars and what was happening with

2317
01:43:00,009 --> 01:42:56,959
Isis and you know that the conflicts

2318
01:43:01,779 --> 01:43:00,019
that we see and the revolutions and all

2319
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:01,789
the bad and all the good things they're

2320
01:43:06,729 --> 01:43:04,159
the product of a way of thinking we are

2321
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:06,739
conditioned to to think about ourselves

2322
01:43:13,029 --> 01:43:11,329
as random mutations the value of life

2323
01:43:14,739 --> 01:43:13,039
our young people it's easy for them to

2324
01:43:16,689 --> 01:43:14,749
take their own lives it's easy for them

2325
01:43:19,379 --> 01:43:16,699
to take the lives of someone else it's

2326
01:43:22,419 --> 01:43:19,389
easy for them to disrespect their bodies

2327
01:43:25,629 --> 01:43:22,429
I asked a group of young people one of

2328
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:25,639
my programs recently what how they felt

2329
01:43:29,469 --> 01:43:27,260
how optimistic they were about their

2330
01:43:31,149 --> 01:43:29,479
future and every one of them told me

2331
01:43:32,739 --> 01:43:31,159
that the I won't use their exact

2332
01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:32,749
language but what I'll say is they said

2333
01:43:39,129 --> 01:43:35,719
the world is so messed up we are only

2334
01:43:41,259 --> 01:43:39,139
thinking about today and we're not

2335
01:43:42,549 --> 01:43:41,269
thinking about what's gonna happen ten

2336
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:42,559
years from now our twenty years well we

2337
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:44,030
don't think we have a future we don't

2338
01:43:48,099 --> 01:43:46,010
think that world is even gonna exist

2339
01:43:51,219 --> 01:43:48,109
it's the way we've been taught to think

2340
01:43:52,989 --> 01:43:51,229
so as we begin to change the way we

2341
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:52,999
think all the things you're saying I

2342
01:43:57,639 --> 01:43:55,010
believe change this is where science

2343
01:44:00,969 --> 01:43:57,649
comes in science is a language that's

2344
01:44:02,889 --> 01:44:00,979
trusted and it's respected and it's it's

2345
01:44:05,049 --> 01:44:02,899
more of a neutral language than the

2346
01:44:09,219 --> 01:44:05,059
language of spirituality religion or

2347
01:44:11,949 --> 01:44:09,229
politics so I think the ideas are

2348
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:11,959
accepted more readily when they are

2349
01:44:16,389 --> 01:44:13,489
conveyed through the language of science

2350
01:44:19,929 --> 01:44:16,399
and science is revealing some very very

2351
01:44:21,250 --> 01:44:19,939
powerful very deep truths about our

2352
01:44:23,139 --> 01:44:21,260
extraordinary potential and what

2353
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:23,149
extraordinary beings we really are and

2354
01:44:28,389 --> 01:44:25,489
what an extraordinary planet we live on

2355
01:44:29,859 --> 01:44:28,399
in our relationship to that planet that

2356
01:44:30,369 --> 01:44:29,869
brings us back to where we started two

2357
01:44:32,169 --> 01:44:30,379
hours ago

2358
01:44:36,099 --> 01:44:32,179
yeah I know I know and I'm not ready to

2359
01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:36,109
end this conversation I kind of can't

2360
01:44:42,609 --> 01:44:39,169
can I talk you into another twenty

2361
01:44:44,919 --> 01:44:42,619
minutes uh I could do twenty minutes I'm

2362
01:44:46,899 --> 01:44:44,929
actually I've got another seriously I

2363
01:44:48,689 --> 01:44:46,909
have another interview coming in to top

2364
01:44:52,779 --> 01:44:48,699
the next hour

2365
01:44:55,629 --> 01:44:52,789
okay it's up to you I've got I've got

2366
01:44:58,750 --> 01:44:55,639
notes here and I just don't want ok

2367
01:45:01,509 --> 01:44:58,760
let's take a break right here I'll take

2368
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:01,519
the break early and and I'm gonna I'm

2369
01:45:06,849 --> 01:45:05,209
I'm gonna hold you captive so I'm going

2370
01:45:09,849 --> 01:45:06,859
to text my next interview and tell them

2371
01:45:10,599 --> 01:45:09,859
I'm going to ten minutes to the top of

2372
01:45:16,509 --> 01:45:10,609
the hour okay

2373
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:16,519
yeah and tell them who it is take a

2374
01:45:19,809 --> 01:45:18,169
quick break right here our guest tonight

2375
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:19,819
Gregg Braden we're going straight into

2376
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:22,249
some overtime Thank You Gregg for doing

2377
01:45:25,869 --> 01:45:24,169
that I'll take the break early this is

2378
01:45:29,369 --> 01:45:25,879
fade to black I'm your host Jimmy church

2379
01:45:31,689 --> 01:45:29,379
on the GameChanger network and kg are a

2380
01:45:34,029 --> 01:45:31,699
the planet you can follow me on twitter

2381
01:45:36,369 --> 01:45:34,039
at h radio you can follow gregg braden

2382
01:45:38,859 --> 01:45:36,379
at gregg braden on twitter we've got

2383
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:38,869
everything up in our feed we'll be right

2384
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:51,440
[Music]

2385
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:54,510
all right welcome back heading into some

2386
01:45:59,400 --> 01:45:56,560
overtime with Gregg Braden saw this

2387
01:46:01,920 --> 01:45:59,410
coming too many things left on the table

2388
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:01,930
Gregan and I want to thank you and I'm

2389
01:46:06,030 --> 01:46:03,550
watching Twitter and everybody's very

2390
01:46:09,630 --> 01:46:06,040
thankful that you're able to hang on and

2391
01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:09,640
one of the things that I don't want to

2392
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:12,100
we were talking about right before the

2393
01:46:18,990 --> 01:46:15,310
break which is this the manipulation of

2394
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:19,000
the media with our consciousness is

2395
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:22,450
something that it's a mental thing but I

2396
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:25,440
think it's also physical because I found

2397
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:28,690
that you brought up Isis right had that

2398
01:46:34,290 --> 01:46:31,690
I watched one too many Isis beheading

2399
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:34,300
videos on the news where I started to

2400
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:37,810
physically change like get like ill like

2401
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:41,440
get sick I stopped I stopped watching

2402
01:46:46,980 --> 01:46:45,040
the news and I did this five or six

2403
01:46:51,690 --> 01:46:46,990
years ago and I'm a better person today

2404
01:46:55,820 --> 01:46:51,700
because of it I read the news I choose

2405
01:47:00,150 --> 01:46:55,830
what I'm going to be fed I don't allow

2406
01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:00,160
to to myself to be manipulated by video

2407
01:47:06,900 --> 01:47:03,640
is this is this something real in that

2408
01:47:10,620 --> 01:47:06,910
we are physically being changed and does

2409
01:47:15,060 --> 01:47:10,630
the man understand this well that's two

2410
01:47:17,130 --> 01:47:15,070
questions we can it's possible to be

2411
01:47:18,930 --> 01:47:17,140
changed and and again this this goes

2412
01:47:20,780 --> 01:47:18,940
back to a very powerful statement began

2413
01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:20,790
with there's a battle that's playing out

2414
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,190
for our thoughts it's a battle for our

2415
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:26,800
story it's a battle for our humaneness

2416
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:30,970
those are three very distinct aspects of

2417
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:34,090
this battle and to the degree that we

2418
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:37,330
allow media to play the role in our

2419
01:47:43,710 --> 01:47:40,570
lives that has in the past it has the

2420
01:47:47,670 --> 01:47:43,720
potential to change us we we begin to

2421
01:47:51,690 --> 01:47:47,680
think there was a linguist in the early

2422
01:47:56,970 --> 01:47:51,700
20th century that worked with the the

2423
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,980
the Hopi traditions and he discovered he

2424
01:48:01,520 --> 01:47:58,480
was the one that made the discovery that

2425
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:01,530
the words that we use not only

2426
01:48:07,740 --> 01:48:04,030
determined

2427
01:48:10,529 --> 01:48:07,750
what we think but they determine how

2428
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:10,539
we're even capable of conceiving our

2429
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:13,210
world the the words the language that we

2430
01:48:19,169 --> 01:48:17,050
use and that was the what opened the

2431
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,179
door to the understanding that media

2432
01:48:24,029 --> 01:48:21,520
actually can change the chemistry in our

2433
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:24,039
brain right it happens in a couple of

2434
01:48:27,839 --> 01:48:26,710
different ways when you know I was I was

2435
01:48:29,970 --> 01:48:27,849
a kid growing up in the Midwest

2436
01:48:34,260 --> 01:48:29,980
conservative community northern Missouri

2437
01:48:35,790 --> 01:48:34,270
50s and 60s and men were taught to

2438
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:35,800
discount your feelings discount your

2439
01:48:40,859 --> 01:48:37,449
emotion so you know it's just just a

2440
01:48:44,669 --> 01:48:40,869
feeling what we now know is the the

2441
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:44,679
recovered texts excuse me from the

2442
01:48:48,899 --> 01:48:47,170
Nagamani library for example tell us

2443
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:48,909
that the power of human emotion in the

2444
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:51,760
heart is actually the power to change

2445
01:48:58,649 --> 01:48:54,400
our physiology to change our bodies when

2446
01:49:01,500 --> 01:48:58,659
we have a feeling about what we see they

2447
01:49:04,500 --> 01:49:01,510
we emit very specific kinds of chemicals

2448
01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:04,510
this is why art is so powerful when you

2449
01:49:11,129 --> 01:49:08,710
see art that that makes you feel good

2450
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:11,139
your body begins to emit the chemicals

2451
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:13,690
that reflect that the dopamine and

2452
01:49:20,069 --> 01:49:17,650
serotonin but it also emits what are

2453
01:49:22,049 --> 01:49:20,079
called neuro peptides every emotion

2454
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:22,059
creates a neuropeptide in our bodies and

2455
01:49:27,390 --> 01:49:24,340
those neuro peptides play a very

2456
01:49:29,819 --> 01:49:27,400
powerful role in in our physiology so

2457
01:49:32,069 --> 01:49:29,829
when young people are watching video

2458
01:49:33,330 --> 01:49:32,079
games all day long it it begins to

2459
01:49:36,510 --> 01:49:33,340
change the way that their brain

2460
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,520
functions and the same with with the

2461
01:49:41,580 --> 01:49:39,280
media I think part of it is conscious a

2462
01:49:42,319 --> 01:49:41,590
conscious manipulation that here's the

2463
01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:42,329
good news

2464
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:45,880
so few people you know we we live in a

2465
01:49:50,370 --> 01:49:47,650
country at about three what three

2466
01:49:54,060 --> 01:49:50,380
hundred thirty million plus give or take

2467
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:54,070
in the United States today so few people

2468
01:50:01,049 --> 01:49:58,000
are watching what we call news if you

2469
01:50:03,569 --> 01:50:01,059
know you go through the airports and CNN

2470
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:03,579
is blaring on every flat screen in every

2471
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:06,489
restaurant and at the gates at the

2472
01:50:10,589 --> 01:50:08,280
airports and you would you would think

2473
01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:10,599
that everybody in the world is watching

2474
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:12,969
what you're watching and the reality is

2475
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:15,900
the ratings the numbers are so low for

2476
01:50:20,460 --> 01:50:18,310
the network

2477
01:50:22,650 --> 01:50:20,470
that relatively few people are actually

2478
01:50:26,190 --> 01:50:22,660
being influenced by what you're talking

2479
01:50:29,670 --> 01:50:26,200
about those that watch may be influenced

2480
01:50:32,010 --> 01:50:29,680
and when I go to live events all over

2481
01:50:34,740 --> 01:50:32,020
all over the world I asked a question I

2482
01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:34,750
said who stopped watching television and

2483
01:50:40,230 --> 01:50:37,390
at least of our audiences the majority

2484
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:40,240
of people recognize that that news is no

2485
01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:42,190
longer news it's commentary it's

2486
01:50:49,580 --> 01:50:45,490
somebody's idea somebody's spin on an

2487
01:50:53,730 --> 01:50:49,590
event that has happened and I prefer to

2488
01:50:56,370 --> 01:50:53,740
to interpret those events through my own

2489
01:50:58,350 --> 01:50:56,380
lens of perception and I have to work

2490
01:51:01,020 --> 01:50:58,360
really really hard I'll tell you it's

2491
01:51:04,110 --> 01:51:01,030
very difficult to find a solid source of

2492
01:51:07,950 --> 01:51:04,120
objective news and I don't think there

2493
01:51:09,650 --> 01:51:07,960
is one but I find news feeds from other

2494
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:09,660
countries when I'm out of this country

2495
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:12,520
I'll give you a perfect example I was in

2496
01:51:18,030 --> 01:51:15,310
Australia over 9/11 I could not even get

2497
01:51:21,710 --> 01:51:18,040
back into my own country it was a very

2498
01:51:26,910 --> 01:51:21,720
strange time and I watched 9/11 unfold

2499
01:51:31,260 --> 01:51:26,920
through the eyes of of Middle Eastern

2500
01:51:34,410 --> 01:51:31,270
and Asian and Australian television Sky

2501
01:51:39,110 --> 01:51:34,420
News was out of the UK some of us were

2502
01:51:41,340 --> 01:51:39,120
out of India and I and I saw a CNN world

2503
01:51:43,410 --> 01:51:41,350
the pictures were the same the

2504
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:43,420
commentary was so very very different

2505
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:45,850
and I was amazed at how different the

2506
01:51:51,530 --> 01:51:49,090
commentary could be so I think to answer

2507
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:51,540
your question it is possible to be

2508
01:51:57,390 --> 01:51:54,370
changed it is possible to be manipulated

2509
01:51:59,340 --> 01:51:57,400
if we allow ourselves to be and I think

2510
01:52:03,060 --> 01:51:59,350
so few people are really plugged into

2511
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,070
that media any longer than I think those

2512
01:52:09,930 --> 01:52:06,400
that are probably in the minority yeah I

2513
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:09,940
found that when I would go to a

2514
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:14,860
conference or you know head out that I

2515
01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:17,440
would I would consciously did I would

2516
01:52:22,940 --> 01:52:19,510
make the decision to disconnect in other

2517
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:22,950
words no internet no cell phones no

2518
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:27,040
social media no television on in the

2519
01:52:30,670 --> 01:52:28,370
hotel room nothing

2520
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:30,680
and I would come back and I would I

2521
01:52:38,740 --> 01:52:34,970
would relax I'd come back from those

2522
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:38,750
escapes and turn out and get connected

2523
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:42,110
again and find myself physically change

2524
01:52:46,930 --> 01:52:44,210
and I thought okay you know what there

2525
01:52:49,690 --> 01:52:46,940
is actually something going on here and

2526
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:49,700
and that's what I that's what I had to

2527
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:52,520
do well sure so here's what's happening

2528
01:52:56,620 --> 01:52:54,860
and it started right after 9/11 and I

2529
01:52:58,210 --> 01:52:56,630
think you probably are very aware of

2530
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,220
that being in the industry that you're

2531
01:53:03,820 --> 01:53:02,000
in it was almost the next day all of a

2532
01:53:06,610 --> 01:53:03,830
sudden the way that we receive our news

2533
01:53:09,820 --> 01:53:06,620
changed the music that was playing in

2534
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:09,830
the background the visuals right the way

2535
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:11,840
information was being presented to us it

2536
01:53:17,890 --> 01:53:14,570
changed almost overnight so what has

2537
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:17,900
happened is that we are if we allow

2538
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:19,670
ourselves we plugged in to those new

2539
01:53:26,830 --> 01:53:23,270
cycles so we're constantly fed crises

2540
01:53:28,780 --> 01:53:26,840
that have no resolution so what happens

2541
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:28,790
is we hear things that we cannot

2542
01:53:33,790 --> 01:53:31,250
possibly solve or do anything about the

2543
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:33,800
threaten us our families our well-being

2544
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:37,250
our future our economic well-being our

2545
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:39,530
physical well-being

2546
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:42,560
that's stress so our bodies are

2547
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:45,050
responding can respond with a stress

2548
01:53:48,010 --> 01:53:45,770
response

2549
01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:48,020
it's called fight or flight and so those

2550
01:53:53,380 --> 01:53:50,470
are high levels of cortisol adrenaline

2551
01:53:55,570 --> 01:53:53,390
shifting of the brain chemistry to

2552
01:53:57,190 --> 01:53:55,580
accommodate stress which is okay for

2553
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:57,200
short periods of time but when there's

2554
01:54:02,080 --> 01:53:59,360
no resolution and that goes on day after

2555
01:54:03,310 --> 01:54:02,090
day you know hour after hour and then

2556
01:54:04,810 --> 01:54:03,320
you go to work and your coworkers

2557
01:54:08,260 --> 01:54:04,820
reinforce it because of what they've

2558
01:54:10,090 --> 01:54:08,270
seen that changes our chemistry it

2559
01:54:12,670 --> 01:54:10,100
changes our physiology it changes our

2560
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:12,680
biology and there are some people that

2561
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:15,650
are it can be very addictive Jimmy the

2562
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:17,330
some of those chemicals are very

2563
01:54:24,130 --> 01:54:20,810
addictive and I know people that are

2564
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:24,140
really caught up in that but you have to

2565
01:54:28,210 --> 01:54:25,850
ask yourself when you finish watching

2566
01:54:30,970 --> 01:54:28,220
one of those programs what you've just

2567
01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:30,980
said Jimmy how do I feel when I finish

2568
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:33,830
do I feel closer to my family or do I

2569
01:54:39,460 --> 01:54:36,290
feel closer to my neighbors do I feel

2570
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:39,470
closer to my community am i angry you

2571
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,730
know when you go to bed at night you

2572
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:42,560
know how those things make you feel and

2573
01:54:47,860 --> 01:54:45,890
and an honor honest answer to those

2574
01:54:49,090 --> 01:54:47,870
questions I think tells us everything

2575
01:54:52,030 --> 01:54:49,100
that we need to know about our

2576
01:54:55,780 --> 01:54:52,040
relationship to those new cycles how do

2577
01:54:57,780 --> 01:54:55,790
you how do you avoid negativity how do

2578
01:55:00,160 --> 01:54:57,790
you keep yourself grounded

2579
01:55:04,990 --> 01:55:00,170
you mean negativity from other people

2580
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:05,000
yes yes yes you know I I'm really

2581
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:08,690
blessed in that this is the 36th year

2582
01:55:16,420 --> 01:55:10,730
I've done this work in one form or

2583
01:55:18,220 --> 01:55:16,430
another and I have not been in every

2584
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:18,230
nation but I've been on every continent

2585
01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:21,410
and I have to tell you it's because of

2586
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:25,070
that that I'm optimistic the people of

2587
01:55:29,020 --> 01:55:26,930
this world to me the people of the world

2588
01:55:31,420 --> 01:55:29,030
I think are pretty much good people I

2589
01:55:33,010 --> 01:55:31,430
mean there's always exceptions but the

2590
01:55:34,900 --> 01:55:33,020
people aren't having the problems people

2591
01:55:36,730 --> 01:55:34,910
know how to share resources they know

2592
01:55:39,700 --> 01:55:36,740
how to share food and water and and

2593
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:39,710
energy and and while they may not always

2594
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:41,390
like one another I think people

2595
01:55:46,570 --> 01:55:44,000
typically love one another and I've seen

2596
01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:46,580
people you know total strangers risk

2597
01:55:49,690 --> 01:55:48,110
their lives for other strangers without

2598
01:55:52,510 --> 01:55:49,700
even given in the second thought it's

2599
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:52,520
like we're wired to do that so it's not

2600
01:55:56,590 --> 01:55:54,050
the people that are having the problems

2601
01:55:58,450 --> 01:55:56,600
generally it's a handful of individuals

2602
01:56:00,520 --> 01:55:58,460
and positions of power

2603
01:56:02,860 --> 01:56:00,530
that are bumping chests it's not the

2604
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:02,870
everyday person on the street and the

2605
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:05,090
everyday person on the street is now

2606
01:56:10,660 --> 01:56:09,050
awakening to the fact that something has

2607
01:56:13,630 --> 01:56:10,670
shifted on the planet something's

2608
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:13,640
changing in the world and that something

2609
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:17,360
can no longer be ignored and you're

2610
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:20,480
seeing that reflected in the the systems

2611
01:56:24,460 --> 01:56:22,730
that are collapsing you know the only

2612
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:24,470
systems that are breaking down are the

2613
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:26,080
ones that are unsustainable

2614
01:56:31,450 --> 01:56:28,670
unsustainable economies unsustainable

2615
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:31,460
ways of producing energy unsustainable

2616
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:34,090
ways of containing and confining people

2617
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:36,170
those are the only systems that are

2618
01:56:40,090 --> 01:56:37,370
breaking down there's a lot of other

2619
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:40,100
systems that are are just fine because

2620
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:43,490
they are based upon sustainable ways of

2621
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:46,250
thinking and living what we learn and

2622
01:56:50,350 --> 01:56:47,930
this is the value you know we're

2623
01:56:52,990 --> 01:56:50,360
covering so much ground and in so many

2624
01:56:56,009 --> 01:56:53,000
topics but they're all pieces of the

2625
01:57:00,370 --> 01:56:56,019
same story I mean what we learn from

2626
01:57:03,359 --> 01:57:00,380
from these cycles of the past and and we

2627
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,369
look at how climate has driven

2628
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:05,599
civilization cycles and we look at how

2629
01:57:10,689 --> 01:57:08,570
war has been a consequence of changing

2630
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:10,699
climate and in the competition for

2631
01:57:13,620 --> 01:57:12,650
resources you know and we're doing the

2632
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:13,630
same thing right now

2633
01:57:19,870 --> 01:57:16,400
but what we find when we we look at

2634
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:19,880
those cycles is that the key to

2635
01:57:26,799 --> 01:57:24,170
successfully navigating the kinds of

2636
01:57:29,379 --> 01:57:26,809
changes that we're seeing is on the

2637
01:57:32,319 --> 01:57:29,389
outside is what we call localized living

2638
01:57:35,169 --> 01:57:32,329
so where we're not dependent on a

2639
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:35,179
central anything no central forms of

2640
01:57:42,129 --> 01:57:39,010
energy no central forms of you know of

2641
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:42,139
economy or Commerce localized Commerce

2642
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:45,050
localized agriculture you know and we're

2643
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:46,610
doing this farm-to-table is a perfect

2644
01:57:50,140 --> 01:57:47,690
example right

2645
01:57:51,989 --> 01:57:50,150
yeah localized banking where the the

2646
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:51,999
money stays in your community and and

2647
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:56,210
now that we know that we're in a cycle

2648
01:57:59,919 --> 01:57:57,679
where the climate is changing I'm a

2649
01:58:03,640 --> 01:57:59,929
geologist I mean I can see this stuff in

2650
01:58:04,569 --> 01:58:03,650
in the in the ice core records and

2651
01:58:06,850 --> 01:58:04,579
that's the whole point

2652
01:58:08,529 --> 01:58:06,860
climate change is a fact it's not

2653
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:08,539
happening for the reasons that we're

2654
01:58:13,870 --> 01:58:10,070
being led to believe this has been

2655
01:58:16,270 --> 01:58:13,880
politicized but it is happening and we

2656
01:58:19,629 --> 01:58:16,280
have to make a choice are we going to

2657
01:58:23,319 --> 01:58:19,639
adapt to the changes that history that

2658
01:58:24,609 --> 01:58:23,329
the earth shows us happen on a cyclic

2659
01:58:26,859 --> 01:58:24,619
basis they've been happening since

2660
01:58:28,479 --> 01:58:26,869
before humans appeared you could see

2661
01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:28,489
that in the ice core record so we showed

2662
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:30,289
up 200 thousand years ago we're looking

2663
01:58:35,020 --> 01:58:33,050
at it climate cycles much more extreme

2664
01:58:36,819 --> 01:58:35,030
than what we have right now that go back

2665
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:36,829
twice that over 400 thousand years

2666
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:40,610
before present so you know why not adapt

2667
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:44,690
to these cycles de-centralized so that

2668
01:58:49,359 --> 01:58:47,119
when a big storm that we know is going

2669
01:58:52,540 --> 01:58:49,369
to happen hits the the Northeast for

2670
01:58:54,850 --> 01:58:52,550
example that localized sources of food

2671
01:58:56,410 --> 01:58:54,860
are able to get into the grocery stores

2672
01:58:59,259 --> 01:58:56,420
they're not depending on on trucks

2673
01:59:01,239 --> 01:58:59,269
moving across icy highways and why not

2674
01:59:03,939 --> 01:59:01,249
harden the power grid put those power

2675
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:03,949
lines underground so yeah the ice storms

2676
01:59:07,450 --> 01:59:05,840
are going to happen every year but

2677
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:07,460
doesn't mean you have to lose power to

2678
01:59:10,010 --> 01:59:09,199
your hospitals and do your homes and

2679
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:10,020
take Heat in your

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01:59:15,020 --> 01:59:12,210
home and think of all the people that

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01:59:16,250 --> 01:59:15,030
would be employed by by hardening that

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01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,260
power grid think of all the trees that

2683
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:17,520
you don't have to cut down to make

2684
01:59:21,500 --> 01:59:19,530
telephone poles that are destroyed every

2685
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:21,510
year I mean it just common sense these

2686
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:24,330
are just very simple very simple things

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01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:26,250
that that makes sense

2688
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:28,170
when we understand where we are in the

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01:59:33,110 --> 01:59:30,780
cycles if we don't understand those

2690
01:59:36,710 --> 01:59:33,120
cycles and my mom was a perfect example

2691
01:59:38,300 --> 01:59:36,720
of this when when she and I we can't

2692
01:59:40,010 --> 01:59:38,310
have these conversations any longer she

2693
01:59:42,890 --> 01:59:40,020
doesn't she doesn't even know who I am

2694
01:59:44,570 --> 01:59:42,900
right now but before that happened to

2695
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:44,580
her we were able to have these

2696
01:59:48,980 --> 01:59:47,610
conversations and and she felt like the

2697
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:48,990
world was just falling apart at the

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01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:52,770
seams and it's easy to think that if you

2699
01:59:55,700 --> 01:59:54,090
don't step back and look at the big

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01:59:58,730 --> 01:59:55,710
picture and see where we are in the

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02:00:01,880 --> 01:59:58,740
cycles the cycles are intense in their

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02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:01,890
brief and it's it's where we are in the

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02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:05,010
cycle that I think determines how the

2704
02:00:09,530 --> 02:00:07,170
options we have and how we respond so

2705
02:00:10,910 --> 02:00:09,540
I'm just giving a couple of examples you

2706
02:00:12,620 --> 02:00:10,920
know when it comes to climate but it

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02:00:14,690 --> 02:00:12,630
goes for economy and it goes for

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02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:14,700
conflict all of these are following

2709
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:17,520
rhythms and cycles in nature yeah one of

2710
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:19,920
the real interesting things that I've

2711
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:22,490
seen as a scientist is this is the way

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02:00:29,330 --> 02:00:26,250
that nature functions nature creates

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02:00:32,210 --> 02:00:29,340
systems that become more and more and

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02:00:34,460 --> 02:00:32,220
more complex until they are

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02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:34,470
unsustainable in their complexity and

2716
02:00:39,500 --> 02:00:37,440
then they collapse but they don't go all

2717
02:00:43,010 --> 02:00:39,510
the way back to zero they collapse to

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02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:43,020
give way to a higher order so I'm seeing

2719
02:00:50,270 --> 02:00:46,170
the collapse of unsustainably complex

2720
02:00:52,850 --> 02:00:50,280
systems to give way to a higher order in

2721
02:00:55,820 --> 02:00:52,860
our personal lives and our communities

2722
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:55,830
and our nations with economies with

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02:01:00,530 --> 02:00:58,560
energy but it's all happening and it's

2724
02:01:02,780 --> 02:01:00,540
really compressed period of time Jimmy

2725
02:01:04,940 --> 02:01:02,790
and if if no one tells us that it looks

2726
02:01:06,650 --> 02:01:04,950
really scary but if you know what's

2727
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:06,660
happening you could see light at the

2728
02:01:11,090 --> 02:01:07,890
other end of the tunnel and then you say

2729
02:01:13,340 --> 02:01:11,100
well what are the let's make the best

2730
02:01:15,050 --> 02:01:13,350
choices possible what what's the best

2731
02:01:17,150 --> 02:01:15,060
decision based on what we know and this

2732
02:01:18,770 --> 02:01:17,160
is where all the science that we're

2733
02:01:21,590 --> 02:01:18,780
talking about tonight and much more this

2734
02:01:23,390 --> 02:01:21,600
is where the science comes in and the

2735
02:01:23,870 --> 02:01:23,400
wisdom of our past because we're not the

2736
02:01:25,850 --> 02:01:23,880
first

2737
02:01:27,379 --> 02:01:25,860
been through these cycles you know what

2738
02:01:27,919 --> 02:01:27,389
can we learn from those who have come

2739
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:27,929
before us

2740
02:01:33,740 --> 02:01:32,670
I firmly believe and I walk or I say

2741
02:01:35,540 --> 02:01:33,750
this all the time

2742
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:35,550
that I walk around with flowers hanging

2743
02:01:42,260 --> 02:01:39,000
out of my pockets and and I say that not

2744
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:42,270
to be naive but I know that we

2745
02:01:48,439 --> 02:01:46,110
eventually are going to mature we're

2746
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:48,449
gonna grow up and we're gonna figure all

2747
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:52,170
of this out I don't see the dark side in

2748
02:01:58,520 --> 02:01:55,710
our future I just don't and I totally

2749
02:02:01,010 --> 02:01:58,530
agree with you there's there's a way out

2750
02:02:03,879 --> 02:02:01,020
there is a path forward and I'm excited

2751
02:02:06,410 --> 02:02:03,889
for our children and our grandchildren

2752
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:06,420
you know and and that's that's the

2753
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:09,060
position that I will always have I want

2754
02:02:15,890 --> 02:02:11,850
to ask you a really quick before I do

2755
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:15,900
let you go you do a lot of stuff around

2756
02:02:20,270 --> 02:02:18,330
the world you you lead a lot of tours

2757
02:02:23,330 --> 02:02:20,280
and you're always out there speaking

2758
02:02:26,930 --> 02:02:23,340
where's the best resource for everybody

2759
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:26,940
to stay informed the best place the

2760
02:02:30,740 --> 02:02:28,650
one-stop shop where you can see

2761
02:02:34,340 --> 02:02:30,750
everything is my website is Gregg Braden

2762
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:34,350
WW Gregg Braden calm and that's great

2763
02:02:40,370 --> 02:02:38,130
with two G's because because two g's is

2764
02:02:42,379 --> 02:02:40,380
just a Greg and one G is short for

2765
02:02:44,990 --> 02:02:42,389
Gregory and my mom didn't want me to be

2766
02:02:47,540 --> 02:02:45,000
a Gregory so so I'm just a plain old

2767
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:47,550
Greg you're Gregg Braden calm and it's

2768
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:50,159
got all of our lives speaking events and

2769
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:54,210
tours and you know books and things like

2770
02:02:57,979 --> 02:02:55,770
that that's all right there yeah thank

2771
02:02:59,870 --> 02:02:57,989
you so much and and I look forward to

2772
02:03:02,419 --> 02:02:59,880
seeing you once again here in Los

2773
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:02,429
Angeles and believe it or not it's just

2774
02:03:07,610 --> 02:03:04,980
in ten weeks it's right around the

2775
02:03:09,620 --> 02:03:07,620
corner and first of all I just want to

2776
02:03:11,209 --> 02:03:09,630
thank you Jimmy for the opportunity to

2777
02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:11,219
be on your program I don't know why we

2778
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:12,780
haven't done this before I'm glad we did

2779
02:03:18,050 --> 02:03:15,570
tonight and it's because of programs

2780
02:03:20,450 --> 02:03:18,060
like yours and resources like this that

2781
02:03:21,890 --> 02:03:20,460
people are discovering that there is

2782
02:03:25,790 --> 02:03:21,900
another way to think about what's

2783
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:25,800
happening and and that the science and

2784
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:27,690
history is really on our side and if we

2785
02:03:30,590 --> 02:03:29,130
could step back and look at that big

2786
02:03:33,110 --> 02:03:30,600
picture we did a very very different

2787
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:33,120
view so I look forward to seeing you at

2788
02:03:36,129 --> 02:03:35,370
conscious life Expo and it's not before

2789
02:03:38,109 --> 02:03:36,139
and

2790
02:03:40,389 --> 02:03:38,119
four door next time absolutely Greg

2791
02:03:41,830 --> 02:03:40,399
thank you so much and enjoy the rest of

2792
02:03:44,139 --> 02:03:41,840
your evening my friend great

2793
02:03:46,839 --> 02:03:44,149
conversation tonight thank you so much

2794
02:03:50,529 --> 02:03:46,849
take good care you too gregg braden and

2795
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:50,539
again follow Greg on Twitter he keeps

2796
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:53,209
everything up there and so that's at

2797
02:03:58,449 --> 02:03:55,610
Gregg Braden on Twitter and the links

2798
02:04:00,399 --> 02:03:58,459
for gregg braden dot-com are over a 2

2799
02:04:03,759 --> 02:04:00,409
meter radio calm you can just click and

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02:04:06,399 --> 02:04:03,769
head straight over I am going to take a

2801
02:04:08,439 --> 02:04:06,409
quick break right here and I'll come

2802
02:04:10,540 --> 02:04:08,449
back and wrap up the evening

2803
02:04:12,699 --> 02:04:10,550
this is fade to black I am your host

2804
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:12,709
Jimmy church again you can follow me on

2805
02:04:18,009 --> 02:04:15,530
twitter at chasers radio email is jimmy

2806
02:04:21,159 --> 02:04:18,019
at jimmy church radio calm on the

2807
02:04:22,179 --> 02:04:21,169
GameChanger network in kg ra the planet

2808
02:04:23,740 --> 02:04:22,189
i'll be right back after this short

2809
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:23,750
break stay with us

2810
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:38,960
all right welcome back had to take a

2811
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:40,650
quick break what a great conversation

2812
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:44,250
tonight with gregg braden phone lines

2813
02:04:49,010 --> 02:04:46,800
are lighting up I don't have time to

2814
02:04:53,300 --> 02:04:49,020
take any calls or should I should I take

2815
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:53,310
a call should I grab a call that size

2816
02:04:58,370 --> 02:04:56,850
wasn't my plan I wanted to ramble all

2817
02:04:59,660 --> 02:04:58,380
right I'm just gonna grab this call hi

2818
02:05:00,170 --> 02:04:59,670
you're live I'm fade to black who's

2819
02:05:03,230 --> 02:05:00,180
calling

2820
02:05:06,110 --> 02:05:03,240
hey Jimmy this is Pat hey Pat how are

2821
02:05:08,780 --> 02:05:06,120
you man pretty good it was good Monday

2822
02:05:11,420 --> 02:05:08,790
man I got the goodie box today I'm so

2823
02:05:16,100 --> 02:05:11,430
appreciative you got a good goody box

2824
02:05:18,860 --> 02:05:16,110
dude oh dude you're telling me and as

2825
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:18,870
you look at the good stuff there what

2826
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:23,280
stands out actually the first thing I

2827
02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:25,770
did was open up that bottle of CBD and

2828
02:05:31,670 --> 02:05:29,400
did some of that I've been out for a

2829
02:05:34,220 --> 02:05:31,680
while it was like yes then I went

2830
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:34,230
straight for the damn coffee yeah right

2831
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:36,050
on well that's a that's a life-changing

2832
02:05:40,700 --> 02:05:38,610
thing right there let me ask you this

2833
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:40,710
Pat before I let you go god only got two

2834
02:05:45,470 --> 02:05:42,570
minutes extraordinary conversation

2835
02:05:48,530 --> 02:05:45,480
tonight with Gregg Braden and and for

2836
02:05:50,090 --> 02:05:48,540
you what what's your takeaway what did

2837
02:05:53,870 --> 02:05:50,100
you what did you get out of the show

2838
02:05:55,610 --> 02:05:53,880
tonight there was so much stuff my age

2839
02:05:58,280 --> 02:05:55,620
just kind of floating out there right

2840
02:06:03,530 --> 02:05:58,290
now so I can't pick one thing dude it

2841
02:06:09,140 --> 02:06:03,540
was just so much stuff yeah my my take

2842
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:09,150
is this is science is where we do need

2843
02:06:17,450 --> 02:06:13,770
to constantly focus we need to

2844
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:17,460
constantly look at the science and not

2845
02:06:22,220 --> 02:06:20,190
so much these it's about what we were

2846
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:22,230
taught it's the science that is coming

2847
02:06:28,580 --> 02:06:25,770
out today and what we are learning it is

2848
02:06:30,710 --> 02:06:28,590
happening so fast and and I talked about

2849
02:06:35,180 --> 02:06:30,720
this in my lead-in into the show tonight

2850
02:06:38,420 --> 02:06:35,190
but it's exactly what Greg kept coming

2851
02:06:40,580 --> 02:06:38,430
back to tonight we can ignore the

2852
02:06:43,850 --> 02:06:40,590
science the science is speaking to us

2853
02:06:45,710 --> 02:06:43,860
science has always been about correcting

2854
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:45,720
correcting correcting correcting

2855
02:06:50,050 --> 02:06:47,690
correcting

2856
02:06:53,470 --> 02:06:50,060
and presenting and that's what science

2857
02:06:56,530 --> 02:06:53,480
is about today science is is trying to

2858
02:06:58,660 --> 02:06:56,540
not correct things and he's absolutely

2859
02:07:00,880 --> 02:06:58,670
right the the what is happening right

2860
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:00,890
now is something that we can all learn

2861
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:03,110
from and there's gonna be a breakthrough

2862
02:07:08,170 --> 02:07:05,690
I don't know what it is I don't know if

2863
02:07:10,060 --> 02:07:08,180
it'll warming is gonna cause Antarctica

2864
02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:10,070
to melt and we find out that there's

2865
02:07:15,070 --> 02:07:12,830
some giant city there that is a hundred

2866
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:15,080
thousand years old I don't know what

2867
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,690
it's going to be but something is going

2868
02:07:23,530 --> 02:07:19,520
to happen and we can't ignore the

2869
02:07:28,420 --> 02:07:23,540
science today Pat hey I got a question

2870
02:07:33,190 --> 02:07:28,430
for you yes at what point did science

2871
02:07:37,330 --> 02:07:33,200
hit the gas pedal that you think I keep

2872
02:07:38,980 --> 02:07:37,340
going back to 1998 when I was a kid you

2873
02:07:40,780 --> 02:07:38,990
know it was so different than what it is

2874
02:07:42,130 --> 02:07:40,790
now it's just like something and I just

2875
02:07:44,440 --> 02:07:42,140
want to know what you think it was it

2876
02:07:46,780 --> 02:07:44,450
made everything just kick off yeah if

2877
02:07:50,110 --> 02:07:46,790
you go back 1998 is such an important

2878
02:07:54,220 --> 02:07:50,120
year for so many different reasons but

2879
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:54,230
if you go back and you look at 1998 the

2880
02:08:02,020 --> 02:07:58,400
breakthroughs that happened not only in

2881
02:08:06,700 --> 02:08:02,030
cosmology but in physics and in quantum

2882
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:06,710
physics and and biology and and and the

2883
02:08:13,450 --> 02:08:10,370
medical side 1998 was a crazy year and

2884
02:08:16,270 --> 02:08:13,460
it forced other scientists to step back

2885
02:08:19,540 --> 02:08:16,280
and go wait a minute we've got a lot of

2886
02:08:23,230 --> 02:08:19,550
exploring to do we've now corrected so

2887
02:08:26,380 --> 02:08:23,240
many things from the past in 1998 that

2888
02:08:29,950 --> 02:08:26,390
moving forward it's been breakneck since

2889
02:08:32,530 --> 02:08:29,960
1998 and yeah I think 1998 was the year

2890
02:08:35,170 --> 02:08:32,540
that forced other scientists around the

2891
02:08:39,420 --> 02:08:35,180
world to start to rethink things and you

2892
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:39,430
can also throw in gobekli tepe as well I

2893
02:08:44,230 --> 02:08:42,290
appreciate that goodies man you do not

2894
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:44,240
know how much I enjoy everything I've

2895
02:08:49,450 --> 02:08:46,850
got gobekli tepe have a good night man

2896
02:08:50,890 --> 02:08:49,460
yeah you too Pat gobekli tepe and we'll

2897
02:08:53,410 --> 02:08:50,900
see you tomorrow night tomorrow night is

2898
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,420
Fator night and with that I'm gonna get

2899
02:08:58,770 --> 02:08:55,280
out of here and I just got a text from

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02:09:01,140 --> 02:08:58,780
Rita by the way she said tonight's show

2901
02:09:04,590 --> 02:09:01,150
so good that I don't have to wait for

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02:09:05,670 --> 02:09:04,600
Taco Tuesday that we are going to do

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02:09:09,210 --> 02:09:05,680
taco trucks

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02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,220
tonight yeah bata blacks executive

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02:09:13,860 --> 02:09:11,440
producers Rita Kumari on shows produced

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02:09:15,660 --> 02:09:13,870
by Hill Jay Paul Rene Dennis and Bob

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02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:15,670
announces our Steve harver gene Vitolo

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02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:18,280
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02:09:23,670 --> 02:09:20,890
music doug aldrich intro space boys

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02:09:26,910 --> 02:09:23,680
space boy music calm fade to black is

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02:09:30,300 --> 02:09:26,920
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02:09:32,340 --> 02:09:30,310
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02:09:36,510 --> 02:09:34,330
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02:09:38,370 --> 02:09:36,520
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02:09:40,260 --> 02:09:38,380
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02:09:42,750 --> 02:09:40,270
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02:09:44,010 --> 02:09:42,760
the game-changer network very special

2919
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:44,020
thanks to Gregg Braden

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02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:47,110
tomorrow night is fader night open lines

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02:09:55,730 --> 02:09:50,890
all night long until then everybody be